Boston Zoning Board of Appeal September 17, 2026 Subcommittee Hearing

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1:41 Good evening. The city of Boston zoning

1:43 board of appeal hearing for September 7.

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4:27 Good evening, Madam Chair. Present.

4:30 Good evening, Miss Better Brazo.

4:32 Good evening, Madam Chair. Present.

4:34 Good evening. The floor is yours, Mr.

4:36 Stebridge.

4:37 Thank you, Madam Chair. Uh we'll start

4:40 we'll go to the hearing schedule for

4:42 5:00 p.m. for today.

4:45 We'll begin with case BOA1855587

4:52 with the address of 34 to 36 Cohass

4:56 Street. If the applicant andor their

4:59 representative are present, would they

5:01 please explain this case to the board?

5:05 Hello. Good evening all.

5:09 We propose to extend the deck back

5:13 as I I'm not sure if you guys have the

5:16 sheet, but I'm trying to look at the

5:19 picture you have. Right there is fine.

5:21 Perfect. So, we are proposing to extend

5:24 that deck back towards the backyard 6 ft

5:29 towards the back and with an approximate

5:31 left to right sideways dimension of

5:34 11.5.

5:35 We will not be encroaching on the side

5:38 setback at all. We're going to stay

5:40 within the same plane that the deck is

5:42 now just to go in the back, just to go

5:45 back six feet. We also propose to change

5:48 the deck boards, but I don't think

5:49 that's why we're here. But we want to

5:50 change the deck boards on the deck to a

5:52 different color,

5:55 but I don't think that's the reason why

5:56 we're here. I think it was because of

5:58 the extension.

6:02 Okay. Any questions from the board?

6:04 Hearing

6:06 none. May I have public testimony?

6:13 Madame Chair, I see any hands raised at

6:15 the moment.

6:17 My apologies.

6:19 Yes, ma'am. Madam Chair, um Madam Chair,

6:22 members of the board, for the record, my

6:23 name is Jeremy Benbury. I am the

6:24 Roslandale community engagement special

6:27 for the office of neighborhood services.

6:28 The applicant has completed the

6:30 community process which consisted of a a

6:32 Butters meeting facilitated on June 22nd

6:34 with Noah Butters in attendance. Next,

6:36 the opponent was encouraged to reach out

6:37 to the Civic Association West Village

6:39 Neighborhood Association and in doing so

6:41 completed the community process. Thank

6:42 you for your time in the Mayor's Office

6:43 of New Services would like to defer to

6:45 the board for their judgment.

6:47 Thank you, Madam Chair. No additional

6:50 comments. With that, may I have a

6:52 motion?

6:53 Madam Chair, it seems like a pretty

6:54 straightforward project. I'd like to

6:56 make the recommendation of approval. Is

6:58 there a second?

7:00 Second.

7:01 Mr. Stebridge?

7:03 Yes.

7:04 Miss Better Braza?

7:06 Yes.

7:07 Chair votes yes. The motion carries.

7:08 Good luck, sir.

7:10 Thank you.

7:13 Next, we have case BOA

7:16 1825484

7:21 with the address of 18 Hayes Road. if

7:24 the applicants and or their

7:26 representative present, would they

7:28 please explain?

7:29 Sure. Hello. Uh my name is Tim Sheen.

7:31 I'm the architect for the project. Um 18

7:34 18 Hayes Road is a single family um sing

7:38 raised single floor hip roof. Uh about

7:42 25 wide, 43 long. Um my clients would

7:46 like to extend living space up into the

7:48 attic. Um there it is. Yeah, we'd like

7:52 to get

7:54 I don't Yeah, what we'd like to do in

7:56 that unfinished attic is save the front

7:59 dormer, make it a small kind of lowest

8:01 sitting area, and then we'd like to get

8:03 three bedrooms and a bath up there. To

8:05 do that, we'll need three dormers, one

8:08 at the back, one on each side. Um, low

8:11 slope, you know, low slope dormers. Um,

8:15 our only violation is a side setback

8:17 violation. There's a 10 foot required

8:19 either side. We've got nine on the

8:22 right, I think 8.8 on the left. So, by

8:25 running the dormers out to the to the

8:27 wall, you know, to the exterior wall,

8:29 we're penetrating this uh setback. Um

8:32 that's essentially it, you know, that's

8:34 that's what we're trying to do. Um

8:35 that's our only violation. So, I'll I'll

8:37 send it back to you.

8:39 Thank you. Are there questions from the

8:41 board?

8:43 Hearing none, may I have public

8:44 testimony?

8:45 Madame Chair and members of the board,

8:47 for the record, my name is Jeremy

8:48 Benbury. I'm the Rosundale community

8:50 engagement specialist for the office of

8:51 neighborhood services. The applicant has

8:53 completed the community process which

8:54 consists of an abuters meeting

8:56 facilitated on July 2nd with one present

8:58 who have voiced support for the

8:59 proposal. Next, the proponent was

9:01 encouraged to reach out to the West

9:03 Village Neighborhood Association

9:04 completing the community process. To

9:06 date, our office has received one letter

9:08 voicing concerns such as the size of the

9:09 proposal and its effect of blocking

9:11 sunlight and casting shadows onto their

9:13 property. Thank you for your time and

9:15 the mayor's office of neighborhood

9:16 services would like to defer to the

9:17 board for their judgment.

9:19 Thank you,

9:20 Madam Chair. Additional comments.

9:23 Okay. May I have a motion?

9:25 Madam Chair, I'd like to put for a

9:27 motion of approval with a provisal that

9:30 the project go under uh BPD design

9:32 review paying special attention to the

9:35 size of the dormers.

9:37 Is there a second? [clears throat]

9:40 Third.

9:41 Mr. Stebridge.

9:43 Yes,

9:44 Miss Better Brazo.

9:47 Chair votes yes. The motion carries.

9:48 Good luck.

9:49 Thank you everybody.

9:53 Next we have case BOA182950

10:00 with the address of 257 Cornell Street.

10:04 If the applicant andor their

10:06 representative are present, would they

10:08 please explain to the board?

10:10 Hi, my name is Victor Venuela. I'm the

10:13 general contractor uh proposing to add

10:16 uh two bedrooms uh about the existing um

10:20 addition and the back of the property.

10:22 We using the same uh uh

10:27 dimensions at the existence

10:30 uh respective footprints. Same

10:32 footprints. I mean uh it's going to be

10:34 two two additional bedrooms for the

10:36 second floor. Um gable roof lower than

10:40 existing one. It's only about 15 ft

10:42 above the uh the second the first floor

10:46 uh roof lower than the existing uh roof.

10:51 No attic, just a crawl space on on the

10:55 roof.

10:59 Questions from the board.

11:02 May I have public testimony?

11:04 Madame chair and members of the board.

11:05 For the record, my name is Jeremy

11:07 Benbury. I'm the Rosundale community

11:08 engagement specialist for the Office of

11:10 Neighborhood Services. The applicant has

11:11 completed the community process which

11:13 consisted of an abutters meeting

11:14 facilitated on May 20th with no abutis

11:16 present. Next, the proponent was

11:18 encouraged to reach out to West Village

11:19 Neighborhood Association completing the

11:21 community process. Thank you for your

11:22 time in the Mayor's Office of

11:23 Neighborhood Services. Would like to

11:24 defer to the board for their judgment.

11:28 You, Madam Chair, there are no

11:30 additional comments.

11:32 May I have a motion?

11:34 Madam Chair, I'd like to perform a

11:35 motion of approval.

11:37 May I have a second?

11:39 Second.

11:41 Mr. Stebridge?

11:43 Yes.

11:44 Miss Better Brazo?

11:46 Yes.

11:47 Chair votes yes. The motion carries.

11:49 Good luck.

11:53 Next we have case BOA

11:56 182

11:57 7848.

11:59 Much everyone

12:03 with the address of 615 to 619 Center

12:07 Street. It's the applicant andor their

12:10 representative present. Would they

12:12 please explain?

12:14 Hi, my name is Jose. I am Cafe Cella for

12:17 some reason. I thought I had a different

12:19 permit number. Sorry. So, uh, I am the

12:22 owner of Cafe Cella located at 613

12:25 Center Street.

12:27 Um, I'm a small locally cafe and I'm I'm

12:31 trying to I have a I'm already open. I

12:35 have a temporary certificate of

12:37 inspection and I'm just going after to

12:38 change. There's a provisal for the

12:40 takeout. there's already a take out

12:42 there and I just needed to change

12:46 to uh to myself so I could be able to

12:48 continue business with without any

12:50 issues.

12:52 Thank you. Any questions from the board?

12:56 So the provisor was for the

13:00 former owner and and it you want that

13:04 removed for you?

13:05 Yes, for the take up.

13:08 Thank you.

13:11 Thank you. Uh, may I have public

13:13 testimony?

13:14 Madam Chair and members of the board,

13:15 for the record, my name is Jeremy

13:16 Benbury. I'm the Jamaica Plane community

13:18 engagement specialist for the Office of

13:20 Neighborhood Services. The applicant has

13:22 completed the community process uh which

13:23 was not a full process was not required

13:26 uh to remove the provisal. Our office is

13:28 confident that no uh that there would

13:30 not be a uh controversial uh proposal

13:33 and a full process was not required. uh

13:39 uh for the process. Excuse me. Thank

13:41 you. Uh

13:42 the mayor's office of neighbor services

13:43 would like to defer to the board for

13:44 their judgment.

13:48 Madame chair, no additional comments.

13:51 May I have a motion?

13:54 Madam Chair, I'd like to perform a

13:55 motion of approval.

13:57 May I have a second?

14:00 Second.

14:01 Mr. Stebridge?

14:04 Yes.

14:05 Miss Bad Brazza.

14:08 Yes.

14:09 Chair votes yes. The motion carries.

14:11 Good luck.

14:11 Thank you.

14:15 Next we have case BOA 1857490

14:22 with the address of 24 Rosecliffe

14:26 Street.

14:28 If the applicants andor their

14:30 representative are present, would they

14:31 please explain to the board?

14:34 Uh, good evening. I'm Phil Wman. I am

14:36 the homeowner at 24 Rosecliffe. Uh, we

14:38 are just looking to turn the attic space

14:40 into living space. Uh, to do that, we

14:43 would need to put on a dormer on the

14:45 staircase side for headroom and for the

14:48 bathroom. Um, we're going to be putting

14:51 a a bedroom and a bathroom and a closet

14:53 up there.

14:57 That's pretty much it.

14:58 Okay. Thank you. Questions from the

15:00 board?

15:02 May I have public testimony? Madame

15:04 Chair and members of the board, for the

15:05 record, my name is Jeremy Benbury. I'm

15:07 the Rosendale community engagement

15:08 specialist for the Office of

15:09 Neighborhood Services. The applicant has

15:11 completed the community process which

15:13 consisted of an excuse me, which

15:14 consisted of an office of neighborhood

15:16 services notification flyer notifying

15:18 Abutters of the proponent's intention.

15:20 Uh next, the proponent was encouraged to

15:22 reach out to the West Village

15:23 Neighborhood Association, which

15:24 completed the community process. Thank

15:26 you for your time, and the mayor's

15:27 office of neighborhood services would

15:28 like to defer to the board for the

15:29 judgment.

15:31 Thank you,

15:32 Madame Chair. We don't have additional

15:34 comments.

15:35 May I have a motion?

15:37 Madam Chair, I like to put forward a

15:38 motion of approval.

15:40 May I have a second?

15:42 Second.

15:43 Mr. Stebridge?

15:46 Yes.

15:47 Miss Better Braza?

15:48 Yes.

15:50 Chair votes yes. The motion carries.

15:51 Good luck.

15:52 Thank you.

15:56 And next we have case BOA

16:00 1783948

16:04 with the address of 1117 to 1125 Blue

16:09 Hill Avenue.

16:11 If the applicants andor their

16:13 representative are present, would they

16:15 please explain?

16:18 Good evening, Madame Chairman and

16:20 members of the board. My name is Juan

16:21 Roas and I'm the contractor for 117 125

16:25 Avenue. They are a business that's been

16:28 operating there for the last 40 plus

16:31 years and there a provisor for the

16:33 applicant only. So my customer, my

16:36 client would like to get the provisor

16:38 removed so they could continue doing

16:39 business as it was. There was no work

16:40 done on the premises beside cosmetic

16:43 work. [clears throat]

16:44 So just a question that there seems to

16:47 be can you can you just clarify what the

16:49 business is? There seems to be some

16:51 abundance community gathering with a bar

16:55 and night entertainment

16:58 and what are the hours?

17:01 Uh Wise is here at she's the working

17:04 with the father on the proposal one.

17:06 Could you answer that question?

17:07 Hi. Yes. Um the hours is from 9 to like

17:13 basically all day till 2:00 a.m.

17:16 is what the liquor license is approved

17:18 for. This is daily.

17:21 Yes, but we won't be open every single

17:23 day.

17:24 Okay. What the license is the liquor

17:27 license was approved for previously.

17:31 Are there questions other questions from

17:32 the board?

17:34 How many uh what's the capacity?

17:39 How many patrons can be in there?

17:42 Um, I'm not 100% sure, but it was um

17:48 500.

17:53 Okay.

17:56 And with the look, if I heard you

17:58 correctly, liquor license, so you open

18:00 until 2:00 a.m.

18:02 Yes.

18:05 Thank you.

18:08 May we have public testimony?

18:12 Madame chair and members of the board,

18:13 for the record, my name is Jeremy

18:14 Benbury. I am the Madapan community

18:17 engagement specialist for the office of

18:18 neighborhood services. The applicant has

18:20 completed the community process which

18:22 consisted of an abutters meeting

18:23 facilitated on May 6th with no abutters

18:26 in attendance. Uh it is important to

18:30 note that there was a second meeting for

18:32 licensing that many of us attended and

18:35 voiced uh their opinions that were more

18:39 uh zoning board uh related uh according

18:41 to the uh feedback that was received uh

18:44 for the meeting.

18:47 Uh but were not uh in approval of the

18:50 location uh and they cited a lot of

18:54 reasons uh regarding that. I can read

18:57 off the testimony for that uh if

18:59 necessary again uh but they did complete

19:01 the community process for the aboters

19:03 meeting uh on May 6 uh with no abutters

19:06 in attendance. Uh next the proponent was

19:10 encouraged to reach out to the civic

19:12 association greater manipan neighborhood

19:13 council to complete the community

19:14 process. To date our office has received

19:17 one letter in opposition to the proposal

19:18 stating the community has already

19:20 experienced a nightclub in the area and

19:22 does not want another citing a number of

19:24 concerns. Again, those concerns uh were

19:27 uh iter stated at the uh meeting for the

19:31 licensing meeting uh for the location.

19:36 Sorry, Mr. Member, I may have missed you

19:38 missed a comment earlier. You were

19:40 saying that Abutter's concerns were more

19:42 related to zoning or more related to

19:44 licensing.

19:45 Uh so during the licensing meet uh for

19:48 the licensing, their concerns were

19:50 regarding the location itself, which

19:51 would be the zoning aspect. They did

19:53 mention their concerns for the uh uh the

19:56 uh the entertainment as well, but their

19:57 concerns are more are more uh are uh

20:01 more focused uh on the uh on the the the

20:05 zoning aspects, the actual uh the actual

20:08 uh proposal being there uh at the old

20:12 page location. Yeah, I think what's what

20:15 I'm what I need clarification on is um

20:20 the relief that's being seekd is for a

20:23 conditional use. Um is that right to

20:26 continue the operation

20:28 of um having live entertainment which is

20:32 a forbidden use or because in the BPD

20:37 recommendation it specifies a violation

20:41 for it to be a change in in takeout

20:43 proviso. So I I I would like

20:47 clarification. What is the relief being

20:49 seek for?

20:51 I we put the entertainment license in

20:53 and the the takeout part of it and

20:56 entertainment. So for all of the above

20:58 actually

20:59 the

21:00 entertainment license but we don't we

21:01 don't

21:02 they they have

21:03 they don't do entertainment licenses.

21:04 Understood. So they're just looking for

21:06 the takeout and the and and the continue

21:08 on the hours of the operation.

21:11 The takeout take out of what?

21:13 Food.

21:13 Yeah. You mentioned you were a bar. Is

21:15 there food? A food.

21:22 That is correct. Yeah, there is food at

21:24 this takeout as well as uh the bar in

21:27 the place on with a legal license until

21:29 2 a.m. in the morning.

21:31 Yeah, I mean I would like to get um

21:34 clarity from Caroline if she's on.

21:40 If not, I would recommend to kick this

21:42 to a full board.

21:45 Agreed. Yeah,

21:47 but I but I but it'll be good to hear we

21:49 have concerns because it seems I I guess

21:53 my concern is is that no one's here. It

21:55 seems like a it seems like a big impact.

21:59 Um

22:00 and I feel like I'm not fully

22:02 understanding all of the issues.

22:05 Uh so that's that's all of my concerns.

22:08 Thank you. So let's do this.

22:09 [clears throat] Let's uh take public

22:11 testimony and then when we get to the

22:13 motion if uh if that's the motion then

22:15 that's what we'll go with. Uh so uh can

22:18 we have public testimony please?

22:19 Sure. Uh we have Yolanda. Yolanda if you

22:23 can speak now.

22:25 Can you hear me?

22:26 Yes ma'am.

22:27 Yes. Um case so my name is Yolanda

22:30 Anderson. I've been living in um in the

22:33 area for 48 years.

22:38 We can't hear you, ma'am.

22:40 Is and K's have been

22:42 Can you hear me?

22:43 No, we can. Yes.

22:45 Okay. So, K has been in the area for uh

22:47 quite a few years. Many, many years.

22:49 Miss Kay has had the facility. One part

22:51 of the facility was a hair salon and the

22:54 other part was a function hall and she

22:57 ran it. Uh, you know, people would have

23:00 functions there off and on. But the

23:01 problem is is that Miss Ortiz want to

23:04 run the facility and have it 7 days a

23:07 week from Sunday to Saturday and K does

23:09 not hold 500 people. Has never held 500

23:12 people in 48 years of being there. So

23:16 I'm opposing only because it's going to

23:19 bring a lot of noise, crime, and Matipan

23:23 is Matipan and Dorchester is already

23:25 crimeridden. We don't need another club.

23:28 On every block from Blue Hill down,

23:31 there is a liquor store on every corner.

23:34 I don't think we need another um open

23:38 bar seven days a week. And behind K's is

23:42 also a um

23:46 uh human services uh owned by FinFinn,

23:49 which there's mentally ill patients

23:50 there, you know, and the people that

23:53 live there. Think about their

23:55 well-being, the the noise, the the the

23:58 traffic it's going to bring. And they've

24:00 already been hanging out there um

24:04 having chairs set up and playing music.

24:08 So, I think Miss Ortiz need to figure

24:10 out um if she wants to have this place

24:12 as a function hall, which I don't, you

24:14 know, I don't mind, but seven days a

24:16 week from 9 to 2 in the morning. No.

24:21 Thank you.

24:22 Okay. Next we have a Fatima.

24:27 Uh good evening. Um thank you madam

24:29 chair. My name is Fatima Salam. I'm the

24:32 chair for the greater manipan neighbor

24:34 council. Um I attended the Butters

24:36 meeting that was uh I believe last month

24:40 as Jarvin Benbury had stated. At the

24:43 meeting um it was unanimous what I saw

24:47 by the um director Butters who live on

24:50 Havlock Street that they do not want uh

24:54 to have that level of entertainment

24:57 seven days a week right next door to

25:00 them. there are um already issues going

25:04 on that they had stated quite candidly

25:08 uh in the meeting. The other issue this

25:11 um right now the proviso that um you had

25:15 asked about was specifically given in

25:18 2019

25:19 to K's Oasis.

25:22 The reason being that it is an

25:24 entertainment license

25:26 that and there is and there is alcohol

25:28 served. That is the reason why it is was

25:31 not going to be something that was light

25:34 done lightly. Miss K's Oasis had already

25:38 been a business for a long time inside

25:40 of the community. That's why it was not

25:43 automatically transferable. The concerns

25:45 that also are there are that uh Miss

25:48 Ortiz does not when she was asked at the

25:51 Butters meeting if she has experience in

25:54 this type of business, she says she does

25:56 not, but that she has a partner who

25:58 does. Considering the level of occupancy

26:03 that we were told that was given at the

26:05 site, those were the service concerns.

26:08 But the most concerning part was one in

26:12 which uh members Sergeant Harris who's

26:15 there at the meeting and asked

26:17 Oh, okay.

26:22 I guess times up.

26:24 We appreciate the context. Uh that

26:26 that's that's super helpful. Um any any

26:30 other um raised hands, Jesus?

26:33 Madam Chair, we don't have anything.

26:34 Madam Chair, this is Stephanie from the

26:36 um from the board. Yes, please.

26:38 So, like she said, in 2019, it came in

26:41 front of the ZBA board to change the

26:43 occupancy to include bar with live

26:45 entertainment to the existing function

26:48 hall with no work to be done. On that

26:50 decision, um there was a proviso granted

26:53 to this petitioner only. What's before

26:56 the board today is just to remove that

26:59 proviso.

27:02 So, this to the prior um uh prior order,

27:06 you mean? Correct.

27:08 Well, that's what I was going to ask.

27:09 This is a whole new ownership, correct?

27:11 That's why the

27:13 That's why that provides

27:15 Thank you so much, Stephanie, for that

27:17 context.

27:19 I think Caroline is here.

27:22 [clears throat]

27:23 Caroline, do you want to add to that?

27:29 Did you say she was here? Jesus.

27:31 Yeah, Madam Chair. Sorry, I was having

27:33 issues with the audio. Yes. So what

27:35 Steph saying is correct. It's not just

27:37 about it's not take out. It's just to

27:39 pro remove the proviso to this

27:41 petitioner only

27:44 for what? For all of the above for the

27:47 entertainment and the and the takeout or

27:50 just take out.

27:52 Correct.

27:54 No, for all of the above. It's what the

27:56 for the from the 2019 decision. If

27:59 Stephanie can say that again.

28:02 Yes, I can repeat it. Yeah. Yeah.

28:04 From the 20 the 2019 decision, it was to

28:07 change the of occupancy to include bar

28:10 with live entertainment to the existing

28:13 function hall. No work to be done,

28:15 right? Because it's a conditional use.

28:18 And do and do we know I mean I'm I'm

28:20 sure the the previous um

28:25 uh res resident knows the answer to this

28:28 uh whether the parameters uh the hours

28:31 and you know etc are the same or

28:34 different. It sounds like they're later

28:37 it's later and day like more frequent.

28:41 Can the applicant confirm that? Um yes,

28:46 everything. So I heard the comment about

28:49 the capacity, the occupancy. Um we

28:53 didn't change anything about the

28:55 occupancy. That's what um Miss K was

28:58 already approved for before. We didn't

29:02 change anything to that. Like it's just

29:04 what she was already approved for. And

29:07 um I believe her she also was approved

29:10 until 2:00 a.m. We are also not looking

29:12 to um be open 7 days a week. We are also

29:18 using like trying to function as a

29:20 function hall. So if someone did want to

29:22 rent the space out during the week,

29:24 they're able to, but we got we would not

29:26 be open all seven days.

29:29 Uh this is either a question for the

29:31 applicant or maybe Jeremy knows the

29:33 answer to this. So is there a next step

29:36 to this? Are they are they do they need

29:38 to go before the licensing board or is

29:40 this it?

29:42 Uh so next yes madam uh madam chair they

29:45 will be going to the licensing board. Uh

29:47 that is specifically for again not with

29:49 the takeout but the other provisors that

29:51 were mentioned uh live entertainment uh

29:53 and the alcohol

29:55 uh as well as the hours of operation uh

29:58 from 9:00 p.m. which we have as 9:00

30:00 p.m. to 2 am.

30:02 Okay. And the liquor meaning

30:04 transferring a license or getting a new

30:06 license or

30:07 Yes, ma'am. This is going to be the

30:08 transfer of the license from 879 blue to

30:10 117 1125.

30:12 Thank you, ma'am.

30:14 Other questions or comments from the

30:16 board?

30:19 Are you ready to make a motion?

30:21 Uh, yes, Madam Chair. I think um I would

30:25 like to put forward a motion um of

30:28 deferral for our next full board hearing

30:32 that would give an opportunity

30:34 uh to provide this context and to allow

30:37 for community members to uh be notified

30:42 uh of this um continuation of

30:45 conditional use but to remove the

30:47 provisa of the previous applicant. Uh it

30:50 would be good for the applicant to um

30:55 provide potentially documentation of the

30:57 existing floor plan um and uh what it's

31:02 already kind of been approved in terms

31:04 of the terms just to provide some some

31:06 background uh and to also just

31:09 articulate the intentions

31:11 um of that transfer and its use. Thank

31:14 you.

31:16 Thank you. Is there a second?

31:19 Second,

31:21 Mr. Stebridge.

31:23 Yes.

31:24 Miss Better Braza?

31:26 Yes.

31:26 So, the

31:27 chair votes chair. I'm sorry, Stephanie.

31:30 No. Go ahead.

31:31 Okay. Chair votes yes. The motion

31:32 carries. Do we have a a date?

31:34 The dates the dates that we have is um

31:36 September 22nd or October 6.

31:41 So, uh

31:44 what is preferable for the applicant

31:46 with the October 6? I mean, that will

31:48 give you enough time to gather

31:49 everything.

31:50 Okay. Does that work, Stephanie?

31:52 October 6 is fine. So, we're going to do

31:54 October 6 at 9:30.

31:57 Okay.

31:57 Stephanie, can you can you please um

32:00 like update the description so that the

32:03 committee members know what's be in

32:06 front of them because I found the

32:07 description to be not specific enough.

32:11 Um I would have to speak to the plans

32:13 examiner. They're the ones who handle

32:15 that portion.

32:18 Thank you.

32:19 Thank you. Jeremy, are you adding

32:22 something?

32:23 Uh, yes, ma'am. I would I just wanted to

32:25 confirm is this to uh will we be doing

32:27 the process over again with the new uh

32:29 refusal letter with for more

32:30 clarification uh and recirculating that

32:33 flyer and holding another meeting?

32:35 So, does that mean the October 6th would

32:37 be too soon?

32:38 If that's the case, October 6th is too

32:40 soon. Yeah, I think

32:41 though it's going to have to be November

32:43 10th

32:44 cuz the October 27th hearing was

32:47 cancelled,

32:48 right?

32:49 Okay. So, can the applicant confirm that

32:51 date works for you? If not, then

32:52 Stephanie will look for the date after

32:54 that. November 10th is what?

32:56 November 10th and November 17th.

33:00 And I would also encourage the applicant

33:02 to gather supporting supporting letters.

33:06 Um and and we heard from Fatima, you

33:09 know, sorry that we're asking you to

33:12 come in front of the board, but I would

33:14 I would encourage you do so. I thought

33:16 that context was helpful, but I really

33:18 do agree that the committee members need

33:21 to know uh because they're going to be

33:24 the ones that are impacted by this.

33:26 Thank you.

33:29 Okay. Can the applicant confirm

33:31 works?

33:32 Okay.

33:32 Thanks, Mr.

33:34 Thank you. So, we will see you then. And

33:36 uh I'll thank everyone for your service

33:38 today.

33:39 Kim,

33:40 thank you. Have a good evening.

33:42 Have a good evening, folks.