Planning, Development and Transportation on October 19, 2026

0:56 GOOD AFTERNOON AND THANK YOU

0:58 FOR BEING HERE TODAY.

0:59 FOR THE RECORD MY NAME IS

1:00 SHARON DURKAN, DISTRICT CITY

1:02 COUNCILOR AND I'M THE CHAIR

1:03 OF THE BOSTON CITY

1:04 COUNCIL COMMITTEE ON PLANNING

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1:57 TODAY'S HEARING IS ON DOCKET

1:59 1718 ORDER REGARDING A TEXT

2:01 AMENDMENT TO THE BOSTON ZONING

2:02 CODE TO PROHIBIT DATA CENTERS

2:04 IN ALL ZONING DISTRICTS.

2:05 THIS MATTER WAS SPONSORED FOR

2:07 COUNCILORS MINYARD CULPEPER AND

2:09 BRIAN RALL AND WAS REFERRED TO

2:10 THE COMMITTEE ON MAY 11TH, 2026

2:12 .

2:12 TODAY I'M JOINED BY MY

2:14 COLLEAGUES IN ORDER OF ARRIVAL

2:16 COUNCILOR ED FLYNN AND

2:17 COUNCILOR MANURE CULPEPER.

2:18 I'D LIKE TO GIVE THEM EACH AN

2:20 OPPORTUNITY TO GIVE AN OPENING

2:21 STATEMENT.

2:23 UM MUNICIPALITIES ACROSS THE

2:24 COUNTRY ARE CONFRONTING THE

2:25 RAPID GROWTH OF TECH

2:27 INFRASTRUCTURE AND WHAT TO DO

2:29 ABOUT DATA CENTERS.

2:30 WE'VE ALL READ HEADLINES ABOUT

2:31 MASSIVE FACILITIES MOVING INTO

2:32 COMMUNITIES, CONSUMING PUBLIC

2:34 RESOURCES AND CAUSING LOCAL

2:35 DISRUPTION.

2:36 DATA CENTERS CONSUME

2:38 SIGNIFICANT AMOUNTS OF WATER

2:39 AND ELECTRICITY, AND WE NEED TO

2:41 GUARD AGAINST OVERUSE OF THESE

2:42 FINITE RESOURCES.

2:43 THEY COULD ALSO GENERATE NOISE

2:44 AND AFFECT RESIDENTS LIVING IN

2:46 NEARBY COMMUNITIES.

2:47 PEOPLE ARE RIGHT TO BE CAUTIOUS

2:48 AND THEY SHOULD HAVE A VOICE IN

2:50 THESE DECISIONS.

2:51 BUT THERE'S NO NEED TO BE

2:52 ALARMED OR MOVED TOO QUICKLY.

2:54 UNDER BOSTON'S CURRENT ZONING

2:55 RULES, DATA CENTERS ARE

2:57 CONDITIONAL MEANING WE CAN

2:58 EVALUATE THEM PROPOSAL BY

3:00 PROPOSAL.

3:00 THE GOVERNOR HAS GIVEN US LOCAL

3:02 CONTROL AND WE SHOULD USE THAT

3:04 AUTHORITY TO DEVELOP AN INFORM

3:05 FRAMEWORK THAT DETERMINES WHAT

3:07 LEVEL OF IMPACT IS TOO GREAT

3:08 AND DETERMINE WHAT ARE WE

3:10 EXACTLY TRYING TO PROTECT

3:11 AGAINST LARGE HYPERSCALE DATA

3:13 CENTERS OR CENTRALIZED

3:15 FACILITIES THAT OTHER CITIES

3:16 HAVE BANNED ARE UNLIKELY TO

3:18 COME TO BOSTON GIVEN OUR HIGH

3:19 LAND AND ENERGY COST.

3:21 BUT WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT

3:23 FACILITIES COULD THREATEN OUR

3:24 NATURAL RESOURCES, DRIVE UP

3:26 ENERGY PRICES OR PUT OUR

3:28 CLIMATE GOALS AT RISK OR HARM

3:30 OUR COMMUNITIES.

3:31 IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT ANY

3:33 LARGE FACILITY WOULD BE SUBJECT

3:34 TO ARTICLE 80 AND ENVIRONMENTAL

3:35 REVIEW.

3:36 UM I'D LIKE TO JUST READ INTO

3:39 THE RECORD, YOU KNOW, CONSIDER

3:40 HOLYOKE THE HOME TO THE

3:42 MASSACHUSETTS GREEN HIGH ENERGY

3:44 PERFORMANCE COMPUTING CENTER.

3:46 A GREEN NOISE FREE FACILITY

3:48 THAT SUPPORTS RESEARCH AT

3:49 BOSTON UNIVERSITY,

3:50 NORTHEASTERN, HARVARD, UMASS,

3:52 MIT AND YALE.

3:54 HOLYOKE HAS SINCE MOVED TO BAN

3:55 DATA CENTERS.

3:57 I RAISED THIS EXAMPLE BECAUSE

3:58 IT SHOWS WHY WE NEED TO LOOK

3:59 CAREFULLY AT WHAT WE ARE

4:00 REGULATING.

4:01 THERE IS NUANCE HERE.

4:02 AND EVENTS AND OFTEN NUANCES

4:05 OVERLOOKED IN POLICY

4:07 CONVERSATIONS.

4:07 WE SHOULDN'T MAKE THAT MISTAKE

4:08 HERE.

4:09 DATA CENTERS HELP POWER THE

4:11 INFRASTRUCTURE BEHIND MODERN

4:12 LIFE.

4:13 THEY SUPPORT OUR GOVERNMENT

4:14 HOSPITALS UNIVERSITIES.

4:15 THINK ABOUT HOW MUCH COMPUTING

4:17 POWER IS NEEDED TO PROCESS AN

4:18 MRI OR A CAT SCAN.

4:20 HOW WOULD THE PROPOSAL BEFORE

4:21 US AFFECT OUR ACADEMIC AND

4:23 HEALTH CARE INSTITUTIONS?

4:24 WHAT IT'S STILL ALLOW ALLOW FOR

4:26 INFERENCE POINTS AND LAST MILE

4:28 COMPUTING.

4:28 BOSTON IS HOME TO A THRIVING

4:30 RESEARCH TECHNOLOGY AND

4:31 HEALTHCARE ECOSYSTEMS AND WE

4:33 NEED TO UNDERSTAND THE

4:34 IMPLICATIONS THESE SECTORS TO

4:36 THESE SECTORS BEFORE MOVING

4:38 FORWARD.

4:38 WE SHOULD PURSUE AN APPROACH

4:40 THAT ACCOMMODATES THE FUTURE

4:41 OF THESE TECHNOLOGIES AND

4:42 SUPPORTS BOSTON'S

4:44 COMPETITIVENESS WHILE

4:45 PROTECTING OUR ENVIRONMENT AND

4:46 SERVING OUR COMMUNITIES.

4:48 THIS MEANS PRIORITIZING

4:49 RESEARCH RESOURCE EFFICIENCY,

4:51 EQUITABLE ACCESS TO AFFORDABLE

4:53 CLEAN ENERGY, RESPONSIBLE LOCAL

4:55 DEVELOPMENT AND BETTER STUDY

4:57 SERVICES.

4:57 I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT ANY

4:59 PROPOSAL WE MOVE FORWARD

5:00 ACCOMPLISHES THESE GOALS.

5:01 RATHER THAN SIMPLY CHECKING A

5:03 BOX OFF OF A POLITICAL LIST.

5:05 THERE ARE OTHER APPROACHES WE

5:06 CONSIDER TOO, INCLUDING LOCALLY

5:09 A THRESHOLD BASED LOCAL

5:10 PERMITTING OPTION WHICH WAS A

5:12 SUGGESTION FROM A PROFESSOR

5:13 THAT I SPOKE WITH PRIOR TO THIS

5:15 HEARING.

5:15 THAT'S WHY I'M LOOKING FORWARD

5:17 TO HEARING FROM OUR CITY

5:18 OFFICIALS, OUR PANELISTS AND

5:19 MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC.

5:21 I HOPE TODAY'S CONVERSATION

5:22 BRINGS ALL PERSPECTIVES TO THE

5:23 TABLE AND HELPS US BETTER

5:25 UNDERSTAND HOW DATA CENTERS

5:26 FUNCTION AND COULD FUNCTION IN

5:28 BOSTON, WHICH IMPACTS ARE TOO

5:30 GREAT AND HOW WE CAN REGULATE

5:31 THEM THOUGHTFULLY.

5:32 UM, SO WE HAVE UH

5:35 COUNCILOR WE'VE BEEN JOINED BY

5:37 COUNCILOR LOUIJEUNE.

5:38 UH WE'RE GOING TO START WITH

5:39 THE LEAD SPONSOR FOR UH, TWO

5:41 MINUTE OPENING STATEMENT,

5:42 COUNCILOR MANIER CULPEPER.

5:43 THANK YOU, CHAIR DURKAN FOR

5:45 HOLDING THIS HEARING.

5:46 I ALSO WANT TO THANK THE

5:49 ADMINISTRATION, OUR PANELISTS,

5:51 MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC FOR

5:54 PARTICIPATING IN TODAY'S

5:55 DISCUSSION.

5:56 I FOLLOWED THE ZONING AMENDMENT

5:57 BECAUSE AS DATA CENTERS

6:00 CONTINUE TO EXPAND ACROSS

6:01 MASSACHUSETTS AND THE COUNTRY,

6:03 I BELIEVE BOSTON NEEDS TO

6:05 DECIDE PROACTIVELY WHETHER THIS

6:07 IS AN APPROPRIATE LAND USE FOR

6:09 OUR CITY, WHETHER THAN WAITING

6:11 FOR A MAJOR DEVELOPMENT

6:12 PROPOSAL THAT ALREADY BEFORE US

6:15 DATA CENTERS CAN PLACE ENORMOUS

6:18 DEMANDS ON ELECTRICITY, WATER,

6:21 SEWER INFRASTRUCTURE AND THE

6:23 ELECTRICAL GRID WHILE OCCUPYING

6:26 SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNTS OF LAND.

6:28 BOSTON IS ALREADY AN INCREDIBLY

6:30 DENSE CITY WITH LIMITED

6:32 DEVELOPABLE LAND AND

6:35 SIGNIFICANT INFRASTRUCTURE

6:36 NEEDS.

6:36 WE SHOULD BE PRIORITIZING THE

6:39 LIMITED SPACE AND CAPACITY FOR

6:41 HOUSING BUT JOBS, COMMUNITY

6:43 DEVELOPMENT AND OTHER USES THAT

6:45 PROVIDE MORE DIRECT BENEFITS TO

6:48 OUR RESIDENTS.

6:49 WE'VE ALSO SEEN COMMUNITIES

6:50 LIKE LOWELL RAISE CONCERNS

6:52 ABOUT NOISE, AIR POLLUTION,

6:55 BACKUP DIESEL GENERATORS AND

6:56 THE LACK OF MEANINGFUL

6:58 COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT IN

6:59 DECISIONS ABOUT DATA CENTER

7:02 DEVELOPMENT.

7:02 THESE CONCERNS ARE PARTICULARLY

7:04 IMPORTANT FOR ENVIRONMENTAL

7:05 JUSTICE COMMUNITIES THAT

7:07 ALREADY EXPERIENCED

7:09 DISPROPORTIONATE ENVIRONMENTAL

7:10 BURDENS.

7:11 THIS IS ALSO A MATTER OF CIVIL

7:13 AND RIGHTS AND EQUITY AS LOW

7:16 INCOME COMMUNITIES AND

7:18 HISTORICALLY MARGINALIZED

7:19 POPULATIONS ARE TOO OFTEN LEFT

7:21 BEARING THE BRUNT

7:23 OF ENVIRONMENTAL AND ECONOMIC

7:24 COST OF DEVELOPMENT WITHOUT

7:26 SHARING PROPORTIONATELY AND THE

7:28 BENEFITS.

7:29 WE HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY.

7:30 LET ME SAY THAT AGAIN WE HAVE A

7:33 RESPONSIBILITY TO ENSURE THAT

7:34 THESE COMMUNITIES ARE NOT

7:36 SUBJECTED TO ADDITIONAL

7:38 ENVIRONMENTAL BURDENS OR

7:39 EXCLUDED FROM DECISIONS THAT

7:40 DIRECTLY AFFECT THEIR HEALTH

7:42 AND QUALITY OF LIFE.

7:43 THAT IS WHY THIS AMENDMENT

7:45 PROPOSES DEFINING DATA CENTERS

7:47 ,ENFORCING ZONING CODE AND

7:49 MAKING THEM OF A BUILDING USE

7:51 CITYWIDE WHILE PROTECTING

7:53 ORDINARY SERVER ROOMS COMPUTER

7:55 INFRASTRUCTURE THAT SUPPORT

7:57 EXISTING BUSINESSES,

7:59 EDUCATIONAL INSTITUTIONS AND

8:00 OTHER LAWFUL USES.

8:02 I RECOGNIZE THAT THERE ARE

8:03 DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES ON

8:05 WHETHER AN OUTRIGHT

8:07 PROHIBITION, A MORATORIUM OR

8:09 MORE STRINGENT ZONING

8:11 REGULATIONS WOULD BE THE MOST

8:12 EFFECTIVE APPROACH.

8:14 I LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING FROM

8:15 OUR PANELISTS ABOUT THESE

8:17 ALTERNATIVE AND WHAT

8:19 PROTECTIONS BOSTON SHOULD

8:20 CONSIDER.

8:21 THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.

8:22 THANK YOU SO MUCH.

8:23 UM, COUNCILOR FLYNN.

8:26 THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.

8:27 I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO

8:29 COUNCIL PEPPER AND COUNCIL.

8:31 WE'RE ALL FOR BRINGING THIS

8:32 IMPORTANT SUBJECT FORWARD.

8:34 I ALSO WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO

8:36 THE ADMINISTRATION FOR BEING

8:37 HERE AND FOR THE, UH, COMMUNITY

8:40 PIANO AS WELL AMID AMTRUST AND

8:42 HEARING FROM PEOPLE ON BOTH

8:44 SIDES OF THE ISSUE.

8:47 I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US

8:48 ON THE CITY COUNCIL TO LISTEN

8:51 TO ALL SIDES.

8:54 I DO HAVE A DATA CENTER LOCATED

8:57 IN MY DISTRICT THAT I HAVE

8:58 VISITED SEVERAL TIMES.

9:02 I DO KNOW THAT THIS DATA CENTER

9:04 IN THE HEART OF DOWNTOWN BOSTON

9:06 DOES PLAY A CRITICAL ROLE

9:09 SUPPORTING MANY IMPORTANT

9:13 INSTITUTIONS NOT JUST HERE IN

9:15 BOSTON BUT REALLY, REALLY

9:17 ACROSS THE COUNTRY AS WELL.

9:21 I ALSO KNOW THAT THE BOSTON

9:23 PUBLIC SCHOOL DEPARTMENT, UM,

9:26 ALSO PARTNERED WITH UMASS

9:28 BOSTON UM, RECENTLY TO IMPROVE

9:32 ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE AI

9:33 PROFICIENCY AMONG STUDENTS.

9:36 BOSTON HAS INDICATED INTEREST

9:39 IN PARTNERING WITH UM MIT

9:41 PARTNERING WITH WITH SEVERAL

9:43 OTHERS UM IN THE INNOVATION

9:46 ECONOMY AND CODING.

9:49 UM I UH LIFE SCIENCES THESE.

9:57 EMERGING TECHNOLOGY UM DOES

10:00 DESERVE US TO REVIEW AND

10:03 UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT IS

10:04 HAPPENING AND WHAT THE

10:06 COMMUNITY PROCESS IS AND I

10:09 REFERENCED THAT BECAUSE WE ALSO

10:10 KNOW THAT GOVERNOR HALEY SIGNED

10:12 AN EXECUTIVE ORDER ESTABLISHING

10:15 REGULATIONS AND OVERSIGHT FOR

10:16 LARGE DATA CENTERS.

10:20 AS I AS I UNDERSTAND IT,

10:22 DEVELOPERS MUST NOW SECURE FOR

10:24 LOCAL APPROVAL IN A COMMUNITY

10:26 BENEFITS AGREEMENT BEFORE ANY

10:28 PERMIT STATE.

10:29 UM AND I SHOULD SAY IS

10:30 APPROVED.

10:33 UM, BUT I ALSO KNOW THAT MANY

10:35 PEOPLE IN THE MEDICAL FIELDS

10:37 REALIZE HOW IMPORTANT THESE

10:39 DATA CENTERS ARE TO THE ECONOMY

10:42 AND AND UM, AND TO ENSURING

10:46 THAT WE PROVIDE THE BEST

10:48 MEDICAL CARE WE POSSIBLY CAN.

10:49 I'M GOING TO STOP THERE, BUT

10:51 I'M REALLY HERE TO LISTEN AND

10:53 LEARN MORE FROM BOTH SIDES.

10:54 THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.

10:55 THANK YOU SO MUCH.

10:56 UM, WE'VE BEEN JOINED BY A WHO

10:58 WE'RE ALL BUT WHO IS THE SECOND

11:00 CO-SPONSOR SO I'M GOING TO LET

11:01 HIM GO NEXT.

11:02 UM, COUNCILOR EARLE.

11:04 UH THANK YOU CHAIR.

11:05 UM, AND THANK YOU TO MY, UH,

11:07 CO-SPONSOR, UH,

11:09 COUNCILOR CULPEPER.

11:09 UM, JUST HERE FOR THE

11:11 CONVERSATION AROUND, UH, WHAT

11:13 REGULATIONS UH, WE SHOULD BE

11:14 THINKING ABOUT AROUND DATA

11:16 CENTERS.

11:17 UH, WHAT ARE THEIR CURRENT

11:19 IMPACTS?

11:19 UH, WHEN IT COMES TO, UH,

11:22 CONSUMPTION OF ENERGY OR ANY

11:23 RESOURCES AND THEN JUST TO KIND

11:25 OF GET LIKE A BASELINE OF WHAT

11:29 AND I KNOW THE GOVERNOR HAS PUT

11:30 SOMETHING IN PLACE BUT WHAT

11:31 ADDITIONAL IF ANY, UH,

11:34 REGULATIONS.

11:34 UM, HOW MANY DATA CENTERS AND

11:37 IF THERE'S ANY ADDITIONAL

11:38 REVENUE THAT WE'RE COLLECTING

11:39 FROM THEM OUTSIDE OF UM

11:42 PROPERTY TAX.

11:42 SO HERE FOR THE CONVERSATION

11:44 UH, TO BETTER UNDERSTAND HOW WE

11:47 SHOULD BE, UH, REGULATING UH,

11:50 DATA CENTERS BUT ALSO JUST

11:51 TRYING TO GET A BASELINE OF IT.

11:53 THANK YOU.

11:53 THANK YOU SO MUCH, COUNCILOR.

11:55 COUNCILOR LOUIJEUNE.

11:57 THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.

11:58 AND THANK YOU TO THE SPONSORS

11:59 FOR BRINGING THIS DOCKET

12:00 FORWARD.

12:00 UH, RIGHT NOW WE ARE IN A

12:02 NATIONAL CONVERSATION AROUND

12:03 THE ROLE OF DATA CENTERS AS

12:05 BEING UM, RESOURCE INTENSIVE

12:07 AND EXTRACTIVE FROM OUR

12:08 COMMUNITY.

12:09 SO IT'S AN IMPORTANT AND TIMELY

12:11 CONVERSATION FOR US TO HAVE.

12:12 I DO KNOW THAT WE HAVE HEARD I

12:14 PERSONALLY HEARD FROM UNION

12:15 LEADERS ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE

12:17 OF TECHNOLOGY, UM, CENTERS THAT

12:18 WE HAVE IN THE CITY.

12:19 AND SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT

12:21 WE ARE BEING VERY THOUGHTFUL

12:22 WHEN WE ARE MOVING FORWARD.

12:23 BUT I WANT TO THANK THE

12:24 GOVERNOR FOR HER LEADERSHIP AND

12:25 ALREADY PUTTING OUT AN

12:26 EXECUTIVE ORDER.

12:27 WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT AS WE

12:29 AS NEW TECHNOLOGY BUILDS IT'S

12:31 NOT TO EXTRACTIVE AND NOT TO UM

12:34 UH NOT TAKING AWAY SOME FROM

12:36 FROM BASIC NEEDS OF OF OUR

12:37 RESIDENTS AND OF OUR CITY.

12:38 SO I THINK THAT THERE'S A LOT

12:40 OF REASON TO MOVE WITH CAUTION

12:41 AND TO BE DELIBERATE AND TO

12:43 MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE UH, NOT

12:46 ALLOWING UH, USE OF THE GRID IN

12:48 A WAY THAT IS UNFAIR TO OUR

12:50 RESIDENTS.

12:50 AND SO I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO

12:51 THE CONVERSATION AND I WANT TO

12:52 THANK THE ADMINISTRATION FOR

12:53 YOUR PRESENCE HERE.

12:54 THANK YOU.

12:54 THANKS, MADAM CHAIR.

12:55 THANK YOU SO MUCH.

12:57 UM, AND UM, I'M GOING TO READ

12:59 ONE LETTER OF ABSENCE INTO THE

13:00 RECTOR FROM COUNCIL PRESIDENT

13:02 BREADON.

13:02 DEAR CHAIR DURKAN, I REGRET TO

13:04 THAT I'M UNABLE TO ATTEND THIS

13:06 AFTERNOON'S HEARING ON DOCKET

13:07 1718.

13:08 ORDER FOR OUR AUDIT ORDER

13:11 REGARDING A TEXT AMENDMENT TO

13:12 THE BOSTON ZONING CODE TO

13:13 PROHIBIT DATA CENTERS IN ALL

13:14 ZONING DISTRICTS.

13:15 WHILE I AM UNABLE TO ATTEND

13:16 TODAY'S HEARING, MEMBERS OF MY

13:17 TEAM WILL BE LISTENING AND TO

13:19 CRITICALLY TO THIS CRITICALLY

13:21 IMPORTANT DISCUSSION AND I PLAN

13:22 TO REVIEW THE RECORDING.

13:23 I KINDLY ASK THAT YOU READ THIS

13:25 LETTER INTO THE RECORD.

13:26 THANK YOU.

13:27 UM AND THAT'S COUNCIL PRESIDENT

13:28 MOSS BREADON.

13:29 OKAY.

13:30 UM NEXT WE'RE GOING TO HEAR

13:31 FROM OUR PANEL.

13:33 DO YOU HAVE ANY OPENING

13:34 STATEMENTS?

13:39 YES.

13:39 UH, FOR THE RECORD, MY NAME

13:41 IS JEFF THOMAS.

13:41 I'M THE SPECIAL ASSISTANT TO

13:42 THE CHIEF OF PLANNING IN THE

13:43 PLANNING DEPARTMENT.

13:44 I AM A TIME THE CHIEF

13:46 INFORMATION.

13:47 OFFICER AND THEN I HAVE A

13:49 STATEMENT.

13:49 UM, SO THANK YOU FOR THE

13:51 COUNCIL FOR PROVIDING THE

13:52 OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TODAY AND

13:53 FOR PROMPTING AN IMPORTANT

13:54 DISCUSSION ON REGARDING THE

13:56 ZONING OF DATA CENTERS IN THE

13:58 CITY OF BOSTON BOSTON'S WORLD

13:59 CLASS UNIVERSITIES, TEACHING

14:01 HOSPITALS, RESEARCH

14:02 INSTITUTIONS AND OUR

14:03 EXCEPTIONAL INNOVATION SECTOR

14:05 RELY ON IMMENSE COMPUTING

14:06 COMPUTING POWER TO SOLVE OUR

14:08 MOST CRITICAL CHALLENGES.

14:09 OUR CITY HAS ALWAYS WELCOMED

14:11 THE JOBS, INNOVATION AND

14:13 DISCOVERY THAT THIS NEW

14:15 TECHNOLOGY BRINGS.

14:17 BOSTON IS CURRENTLY HAS A

14:18 CURRENTLY HAS A HANDFUL OF DATA

14:20 CENTERS SOME DATING BACK TO THE

14:21 1990S SERVING AS CLOUD

14:23 COMPUTING SERVICES FOR

14:24 COMPANIES IN THE AREA.

14:25 NONE OF THESE ARE HYPERSCALE

14:27 DATA CENTERS AND NONE ARE

14:29 DEDICATED TO AI.

14:30 HOWEVER, WE RECOGNIZE THAT THE

14:32 RAPID RISE OF MODERN HYPERSCALE

14:34 DATA CENTERS PRESENT A UNIQUE

14:37 ENVIRONMENTAL RISK POTENTIAL

14:38 FOR COMMUNITY DISRUPTIONS.

14:40 UH, AMONG OTHER THINGS, TODAY'S

14:43 HYPERSCALE FACILITIES ARE

14:44 ENTIRELY DIFFERENT OPERATIONS

14:45 FROM THE DATA CENTERS BUILT IN

14:47 THE PAST.

14:47 THEY DRAW HEAVILY ON THE GRID,

14:49 USE MASSIVE AMOUNTS OF WATER

14:50 FOR COOLING, RELY ON DIESEL

14:51 BACKUP GENERATORS AND PRODUCE

14:54 LOCALIZED NOISE AND HEAT.

14:55 IN SHORT, THEY ARE PROBABLY NOT

14:57 A GOOD FIT FOR THE URBAN

14:58 ENVIRONMENT OR OTHER SITES IN

14:59 CLOSE PROXIMITY TO PEOPLE.

15:01 OUR CURRENT ZONING CODE LIMITS

15:03 THE LARGE SCALE IMPACTS

15:06 OF TELECOMMUNICATIONS AND DATA

15:07 DISTRIBUTION CENTERS BY

15:07 CONSTRAINING THEM TO PROVIDING

15:09 ESSENTIAL SERVICES IN THE AREAS

15:11 WHERE THEY ARE LOCATED.

15:12 THESE TRADITIONAL TELECOM DATA

15:14 DATA USES ARE ONLY ALLOWED

15:16 WITHIN THREE VERY SMALL AREAS

15:18 OF THE CITY.

15:19 MEANWHILE, NEW HYPERSCALE DATA

15:21 CENTERS CANNOT BE BUILT

15:22 ANYWHERE IN THE CITY OF BOSTON

15:23 WITHOUT EXPLICIT REGULATORY

15:24 REVIEW BY SEVERAL CITY

15:25 OF BOSTON DEPARTMENTS.

15:27 ANY LARGE SCALE PROJECT

15:30 PROPOSED TODAY WOULD BE SUBJECT

15:31 TO SIGNIFICANT SCRUTINY THROUGH

15:32 THE ARTICLE 80 PROCESS AND AS

15:34 AN EXTREMELY LIMITED ZONING

15:35 PATHWAYS WITHOUT EXPLICIT

15:37 APPROVALS FROM THE PLANNING

15:38 DEPARTMENT, THE BPA BOARD AND

15:40 ULTIMATELY THE ZONING BOARD

15:41 OF APPEAL.

15:42 IN SHORT, ALTHOUGH BOSTON DOES

15:44 NOT HAVE DATA CENTER SPECIFIC

15:46 ZONING AT THIS TIME, OUR

15:48 EXISTING LAWS MEAN THERE IS NOT

15:49 AN IMMINENT RISK IN ANY

15:50 PROPOSAL OF SCALE WOULD BE

15:52 SUBJECT TO CITY APPROVAL,

15:53 INCLUDING PLENTY OF COMMUNITY

15:55 FEEDBACK.

15:55 IN JUNE OF THIS YEAR, MAYOR WU

15:57 SIGNED BOSTON ONTO THE C40

15:59 GLOBAL URBAN DATA CENTERS PACT

16:01 ,WHICH REQUIRES STRICT

16:03 SCRUTINY OF ANY DATA CENTER

16:05 PROPOSALS FOR ENVIRONMENTAL AND

16:06 QUALITY OF LIFE IMPACTS.

16:08 THIS GLOBAL FRAMEWORK ALIGNS

16:10 WITH OUR VISION FOR COMMERCIAL

16:11 USES.

16:11 THEY'RE STRATEGICALLY

16:12 INTEGRATED INTO CITIES RESOURCE

16:14 EFFICIENT, ACCOUNTABLE TO THEIR

16:15 HOST COMMITTEES, COMMUNITIES

16:17 AND ENGINE FOR THEIR SHARED

16:20 PROSPERITY.

16:20 THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT IS IN

16:22 THE PROCESS OF CODIFYING THESE

16:23 REQUIREMENTS INTO OUR ZONING

16:24 CODE.

16:25 WE LOOK WORK.

16:26 WE LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH

16:28 THE COUNCIL ON ANY PROPOSED

16:29 ZONING AMENDMENTS SPECIFICALLY

16:30 AROUND NEW DEFINITIONS TO FIT

16:32 EMERGING TECHNOLOGY.

16:34 THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND

16:35 WE'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY

16:36 QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.

16:37 THANK YOU SO MUCH JEFF.

16:39 UM AND JIM, WOULD YOU LIKE TO

16:41 SPEAK?

16:42 NO.

16:43 I SUPPORT THE STATEMENT THAT

16:44 WAS MADE AND I'M HAPPY TO

16:45 ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU

16:46 MIGHT HAVE.

16:47 OKAY.

16:48 PERFECT.

16:48 WE'LL START WITH THE LEAD.

16:49 UH, SPONSOR I'M IN YOUR

16:51 CULPEPER.

16:51 UM, WE'RE GOING TO DO FIVE

16:53 MINUTES WITH THIS PANEL.

16:55 THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.

16:56 SORRY IF YOU COULD TURN US MIKE

16:58 ON.

16:59 PERFECT.

17:03 THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.

17:04 AND THANK YOU, JEFF, FOR, UM,

17:08 GIVING US THAT INFORMATION.

17:10 YOU DID?

17:10 I HAD A FEW QUESTIONS, UH,

17:13 REGARDING THE C40 DATA CENTER

17:15 PACK.

17:16 WHO WHO ARE THE MEMBERS OF THE

17:18 C40 DATA MEMBER PACK?

17:21 SO I'LL TAKE THAT ONE.

17:22 UM, C40 IS A GROUP OF MAYOR

17:26 OF CITIES FROM THE LARGEST

17:28 GLOBAL CITIES.

17:29 UH, THEY ARE CITIES THAT SIGNED

17:32 UP FOR CLIMATE COMMITMENTS SO

17:33 VERY SIMILAR TO BOSTON AND THE

17:35 AMBITION IN OUR CLIMATE

17:37 AMBITIONS.

17:38 AND IN THIS PACT I AM NOT SURE

17:42 OF THE SPECIFIC CITIES BUT I I

17:44 BELIEVE THAT THEY'RE AMONG THE

17:46 LARGEST CITIES IN C40 ITSELF.

17:49 SO THE PACT THE THE CITIES THAT

17:52 SIGNED ON TO THE PACT COULD.

17:53 INCLUDE LONDON, UM, SAN

17:56 FRANCISCO SOME OF THE LARGEST

17:57 CITIES AROUND THE WORLD THAT

17:58 MIGHT BE DEALING WITH THIS KIND

17:59 OF ISSUE.

18:00 DO YOU KNOW SPECIFICALLY WHAT

18:02 CITIES IN THE PACT?

18:03 AND IF YOU DON'T, CAN YOU

18:05 PROVIDE US?

18:05 WE ARE.

18:06 I DON'T KNOW THE SPECIFIC

18:07 LIST BUT WOULD BE HAPPY TO

18:09 FOLLOW UP WITH THE FEATURED.

18:10 CITIES ARE DUBLIN, ATLANTA,

18:12 COLUMBUS, AMSTERDAM, NEW YORK,

18:14 LONDON, MILAN, CHENNAI, PHOENIX

18:16 AND.

18:16 THEN ALL.

18:17 OF THEM.

18:18 THOSE ARE THE FEATURED

18:19 CITIES FOR THAT SPECIFICALLY

18:20 RELATED TO DATA CENTERS.

18:22 GETTING LISTS OF ALL OF THEM

18:23 NOT JUST THE FEATURED CITIES,

18:25 JUST ALL OF THE CITIES THAT ARE

18:27 PART OF THE C40 PACK.

18:29 AND CAN WE HAVE A COPY OF THE

18:31 C40 PACK THE ACTUAL PACK.

18:33 TO SEE WHAT IT SAYS?

18:34 SURE, ABSOLUTELY.

18:35 WE'RE ACTUALLY PRINTING IT.

18:37 YEAH, WE'RE PRINTING IT AS WE

18:38 SPEAK.

18:39 YOU'RE PRINTED RIGHT?

18:40 UH.

18:42 YOU HAVE A COUPLE OF THINGS

18:44 WITH REGARD TO UM, THE DATA

18:48 CENTERS AND THE INFRASTRUCTURE

18:51 .

18:52 UM, DOES THE PLANNING

18:55 DEPARTMENT BELIEVE THAT A

18:57 CITYWIDE PROHIBITION IS

18:59 APPROPRIATE UH, WITH REGARD TO

19:02 LAND USE POLICY OR WOULD THERE

19:05 BE OR DO YOU THINK A MORE

19:06 NARROW PROHIBITION IS MORE

19:08 APPROPRIATE REGARDING ZONING

19:10 RESTRICTIONS?

19:12 YEAH.

19:12 AT THIS TIME WE DON'T THINK,

19:14 UH, CITYWIDE PROHIBITION IS

19:16 NECESSARY.

19:16 I THINK WE DEFINITELY ARE OPEN

19:19 TO DISCUSSING NEW ZONING

19:20 DEFINITIONS, THE MAPPING

19:22 OF THOSE AREAS WITH THE

19:25 COUNCIL UM, AND OTHER RELATED

19:27 UH, ZONING ISSUES.

19:28 BUT I THINK AT THIS TIME

19:30 OF PROHIBITION WE DON'T.

19:30 BELIEVE IS NECESSARY.

19:31 AND SO WHAT'S THE DEFINITION

19:34 OF DATA CENTERS THAT WE HAVE

19:35 UNDER THE ZONING CODE TODAY?

19:38 SO RIGHT NOW.

19:39 THE THE USE THAT WE HAVE IS

19:41 CALLED TELECOMMUNICATIONS AND

19:43 DATA SENT DATA DISTRIBUTION

19:45 CENTERS.

19:47 UM THE DEFINITION IS NOT

19:49 THOROUGHLY UM FLESHED OUT

19:52 BECAUSE THIS IS THESE TYPES

19:55 OF USES WERE MOSTLY MEANT IN

19:57 SERVICE OF EITHER BUSINESSES OR

20:00 RESIDENCES.

20:01 SO THINK OF THE TYPE OF UM

20:04 TECHNOLOGY THAT'S COMING INTO

20:05 YOUR HOME.

20:05 THEY ALLOW YOU TO USE AND NEED

20:07 SOME PLACE FOR THAT TECHNOLOGY

20:09 TO COME IN SOMEWHERE.

20:11 UH DATA STORAGE, THINGS OF THAT

20:12 NATURE.

20:13 SO WE ESSENTIALLY THE OLD

20:17 ZONING CODE DEFINITION IS IS

20:19 ABOUT STORAGE AND DELIVERING

20:21 THINGS TO THE HOUSE, NOT

20:23 NECESSARILY PROCESSING

20:25 OF INFORMATION THE WAY THAT

20:26 THESE AI TECHNOLOGIES ARE.

20:28 SO THERE'S NO REAL DEFINITION

20:30 IN THE ZONING CODE TODAY THAT

20:32 SPECIFICALLY APPLIES TO DATA

20:34 CENTERS.

20:35 THEY APPLY TO DATA CENTERS

20:37 BECAUSE IT'S OH BUT.

20:38 IS IT A DATA CENTER?

20:40 NECESSARILY AN ISSUE?

20:42 IS IT A DATA CENTER DEFINITION

20:44 ?

20:45 IT'S STILL IT'S STILL INSIDE

20:48 OF THAT DEFINITION.

20:49 THE TELECOMMUNICATIONS AND DATA

20:50 CENTER.

20:51 READ IT AND THERE.

20:53 THAT THAT THAT IS WHAT IT IS.

20:55 IT'S A.

20:55 TELECOMMUNICATION I KNOW BUT.

20:56 CAN YOU READ IT BECAUSE I WANT

20:58 TO SEE WHETHER THE WORD DATA

20:59 CENTER IS IN THAT DEFINITION OR

21:02 WHETHER YOU'RE JUST APPLYING IT

21:04 TO DATA CENTER.

21:06 I DON'T HAVE IT IN FRONT OF ME

21:07 SO I'LL HAVE TO GET BACK.

21:08 TO YOU.

21:08 WE CAN LOOK THAT UP TO CAN.

21:11 YEAH.

21:12 I DON'T WANT TO LOOK IT UP.

21:13 CAN YOU APPLY IT?

21:14 CAN YOU SUPPLY IT TO US THROUGH

21:16 THE CHAIR?

21:17 SURE.

21:18 OKAY.

21:18 BECAUSE I'M REALLY CONCERNED

21:20 ABOUT TAKING A DEFINITION THAT

21:24 IS NOT REALLY MEANT TO APPLY TO

21:26 DATA CENTERS AND APPLYING IT TO

21:28 DATA CENTERS AND NOT REALLY

21:31 HAVING THE APPLICABILITY OR THE

21:34 PROHIBITION THAT WE'RE TRYING

21:36 TO ACHIEVE.

21:37 AND SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT WE'RE

21:40 STARTING FROM SCRATCH WITH

21:42 REGARD TO THE DATA CENTER

21:44 ZONING CODE.

21:46 AND I WOULDN'T SAY THAT WE'RE

21:47 STARTING FROM SCRATCH.

21:48 BUT I THINK.

21:50 THAT YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT

21:51 THAT WE DO NEED TO UPDATE

21:52 DEFINITIONS IN OUR ZONING CODE.

21:54 AND AND YOU'RE WILLING TO WORK

21:55 WITH US ON THAT.

21:56 ABSOLUTELY.

21:57 I'LL BE GLAD TO WORK WITH YOU

21:59 JEFF, LIKE WE ARE ON OTHER

22:00 THINGS.

22:00 THANK YOU.

22:02 THANK YOU SO MUCH,

22:05 COUNCILOR CULPEPER.

22:05 UM COUNCILOR ARROYO.

22:08 THANK YOU.

22:08 CHAIR.

22:09 UM, JUST A COUPLE QUESTIONS.

22:11 YOU MENTIONED A LIST OR STATED

22:15 THAT WE HAVE SOME DATA CENTERS.

22:17 UH, HOW MANY DO WE ALREADY HAVE

22:20 IN BOSTON?

22:22 UM, THE DEFINITION BY THIS

22:25 DEFINITION OF DATA CENTERS

22:26 WHICH IS UM, INCLUDED AND

22:28 BASICALLY TELECOMMUNICATIONS

22:30 INFRASTRUCTURE.

22:31 WE KNOW OF FOUR BUT UM, ONE WAY

22:34 OF THINKING ABOUT IT BEYOND A

22:36 VERIZON FACILITY OR A COMCAST

22:39 FACILITY IS THAT SOME OF OUR

22:41 INSTITUTIONS ARE PRIVATE

22:42 INSTITUTIONS LIKE A MEDICAL A

22:43 HOSPITAL.

22:44 THEY MIGHT ALSO STORE DATA AND

22:46 THEY MIGHT REFER TO THAT AS A

22:48 DATA CENTER ITSELF.

22:49 SO I JUST THINK IT SPEAKS TO

22:51 THE NEED FOR AN UPDATED

22:52 DEFINITION AS WELL.

22:53 GOT IT.

22:55 UM AND THEN I KNOW BERTO

22:58 GENERALLY COVERS BUILDINGS

23:00 AROUND 20,000FT2 OR MORE.

23:02 UH, BUT A DATA CENTER CAN HAVE

23:04 A, YOU KNOW, RELATIVELY SMALL

23:07 FOOTPRINT BUT STILL CONSUME A

23:09 TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF RESOURCES.

23:11 UH, DO WE KNOW HOW MANY DATA

23:12 CENTERS ARE CURRENTLY REPORTING

23:14 UNDER BERTO AND HOW MANY FAR

23:16 BELOW THAT SQUARE FOOTAGE

23:17 THRESHOLD?

23:18 AND IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE

23:19 INFORMATION YET.

23:20 YEAH, WE.

23:21 CAN BE.

23:22 LIKE YEAH, BACK TO ME.

23:23 IF.

23:24 I DO ON THAT.

23:24 UM.

23:27 I GUESS MY OTHER QUESTION IS

23:29 AND MAYBE THIS MIGHT NOT BE A

23:31 QUESTION FOR THIS PANEL HERE

23:32 BUT JUST KNOWING THE AMOUNT

23:35 OF RESOURCES THAT DATA CENTERS

23:38 UH UH, EXTRACT FROM THE

23:39 COMMUNITY IS.

23:41 IT WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS OR I

23:43 KNOW DIFFERENT TYPES

23:44 OF BUSINESSES WE REQUIRE THEM

23:46 TO GO THROUGH DIFFERENT TYPES

23:47 OF REGULATIONS SOMETIMES EVEN

23:48 REQUIRING THEM TO HAVE A LIKE A

23:50 LICENSE.

23:51 UM, COULD WE REQUIRE DATA

23:53 CENTERS TO OBTAIN AN ANNUAL

23:56 OPERATING LICENSE AND PAY A FEE

23:58 THAT COVERS, UH, THE CITY'S

24:00 MONITORING, INSPECTION,

24:01 INSPECTION OR REGULATORY COSTS?

24:06 I THINK IT MUST BE SOMETHING

24:07 THAT WE NEED TO EXPLORE.

24:10 YEAH.

24:10 HAVE WE WOULDN'T WE WE

24:12 WOULDN'T GOVERN THAT UNDER IN

24:14 THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT UNDER

24:15 THE ZONING CODE SO WE WOULD

24:16 HAVE TO.

24:17 WE'D HAVE TO EXPLORE THAT.

24:20 THE UM THE OTHER EXAMPLE I CAN

24:21 THINK OF IS WITH THE

24:23 TELECOMMUNICATIONS PROVIDERS WE

24:25 HAVE SOME FRANCHISE LICENSES

24:27 AND MAYBE THERE IS A MODEL

24:29 THERE BUT THIS IS DEFINITELY AN

24:31 AREA TO LOOK INTO.

24:32 GOT IT.

24:32 AND THEN ARE WE MONITORING

24:36 OR HAVING ANY IDEA OF HOW MUCH

24:39 THE CURRENT DATA CENTERS THAT

24:40 WE HAVE NOW ARE EXTRACTING?

24:42 UM IN TERMS OF LIKE RESOURCES,

24:44 UTILITIES, WATER OR EVEN LIKE

24:48 IN EMISSIONS?

24:49 ANY INFORMATION AROUND THAT?

24:51 I'VE I BELIEVE THAT IN OUR

24:55 ENVIRONMENT DEPARTMENT IN ORDER

24:57 TO SIGN UP FOR THAT GLOBAL PACT

25:00 UH MIGHT HAVE STARTED TO LOOK

25:01 INTO THIS BUT THAT'S JUST

25:03 SOMETHING WE CAN GET BACK TO

25:04 YOU ABOUT SPECIFICALLY ON THE

25:06 RESOURCE CONSUMPTION.

25:08 GOT IT.

25:08 UM.

25:15 AND THEN.

25:16 MAYBE THIS IS NOT A QUESTION

25:17 FOR YOU BUT MAYBE ANOTHER

25:19 QUESTION FOR THE ENVIRONMENT.

25:21 UM, WHAT HAPPENS WITH EMISSIONS

25:23 FROM BACKUP GENERATORS?

25:25 UH, DO WE KNOW HOW MUCH BACKUP

25:26 GENERATOR ENERGY?

25:27 OUR EXISTING DATA CENTERS ARE

25:29 REPORTING AND HOW MUCH IS BEING

25:31 EXCLUDED FROM THEIR

25:32 CALCULATIONS.

25:32 THIS COULD BE ANOTHER

25:34 ENVIRONMENTAL.

25:34 I THINK A LOT OF MY OTHER

25:36 QUESTIONS AROUND THE

25:36 ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT OF THESE

25:38 DATA CENTERS SO NOTED I THINK I

25:41 THINK A LOT OF UM I SEE UM UH

25:45 EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR FAROOQUI ON

25:47 THE NEXT PANEL.

25:47 SO I'LL SAVE MY QUESTIONS FOR

25:49 THE SECOND PANEL.

25:51 THANK YOU CHAIR.

25:53 THANK YOU SO MUCH.

25:54 UM, SORRY I WAS TALKING TO MY

25:57 COLLEAGUE BUT UM, REALLY

25:59 GRATEFUL, UM, TO YOU ALL FOR

26:01 BEING HERE.

26:01 UM, I HAVE REALLY GOTTEN INTO

26:03 THE WEEDS OF THIS ISSUE SINCE

26:05 WE NOTICED THE HEARING TO TRY

26:07 TO UNDERSTAND FROM BOTH LIKE

26:09 THE TECHNOLOGY HOSPITAL, YOU

26:12 KNOW, UH, ADMINISTRATIVE

26:16 COMMUNITY THAT EXIST IN BOSTON

26:17 WHAT IMPACTS A ZONING AMENDMENT

26:20 THAT, UM, THAT PROHIBITS THEM

26:22 FROM ALL ZONING DISTRICTS WOULD

26:23 HAVE.

26:24 UM, I THINK THAT RIGHTFULLY SO

26:27 A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE QUESTIONS

26:28 ABOUT HOW THIS WOULD IMPACT UM,

26:30 COMPUTING CENTERS IN THE

26:32 HOSPITAL ENVIRONMENT AS WELL AS

26:36 UM, INFERENCE POINTS THAT ARE

26:38 NEEDED TO CONNECT BOSTON TO THE

26:40 CLOUD AND OTHER CLOUD INTERNET

26:43 .

26:43 UM, OBVIOUSLY YOU'RE A LOT

26:46 SMARTER THAN ME ON THESE ISSUES

26:47 AND I I'M LEARNING THEM BUT UM,

26:49 I'VE BEEN TALKING TO SOME

26:50 PROFESSORS FROM DIFFERENT

26:52 COLLEGES WHO WHO REALLY ARE

26:54 JUST TRYING TO, UM, YOU KNOW,

26:56 TRYING TO WHILE WE'RE

26:59 FAMILIARIZING OURSELVES WITH

27:00 THE ZONING, UH, AMENDMENT AS

27:01 DRAFTED.

27:02 UM, I'M ALSO TRYING TO

27:04 FAMILIARIZE MYSELF WITH WHAT

27:06 ARE POTENTIALLY THE

27:07 CAPABILITIES AND NEEDS THAT

27:08 BOSTON MAY HAVE IN THE FUTURE.

27:09 UM, HOW DOES BOSTON CONTRIBUTE

27:12 TO THE OVERALL CONVERSATION

27:13 ABOUT DATA CENTERS?

27:14 UM, BECAUSE ULTIMATELY ANY DATA

27:16 CENTER THAT'S BEING PROPOSED IN

27:19 THIS IN THE NORTHEAST REGION

27:21 ULTIMATELY WILL BENEFIT.

27:23 LIKE WE WILL BE THE ONES USING

27:25 THE DATA AND THAT'S THE CASE

27:27 FOR THE HOLYOKE.

27:28 I'M NOT SURE IF YOU'RE AWARE

27:29 OF THE HOLYOKE DATA CENTER THAT

27:31 UM IT'S ACTUALLY SUPPORTS

27:32 RESEARCH AT THE NORTHEASTERN,

27:35 HARVARD, UMASS, MIT AND YALE.

27:37 UM, THAT THAT IS A WHOLE UH

27:40 THAT IN HOLYOKE WAS A FACILITY

27:43 THAT'S CALLED THE MASSACHUSETTS

27:45 GREEN HIGH PERFORMANCE

27:46 COMPUTING CENTER, WHICH IS A

27:49 GREEN FACILITY BUT DOES USE A

27:51 LOT OF ELECTRICITY.

27:53 UM, THEY HAVE SINCE MOVED TO

27:55 BANNED DATA CENTERS BUT ARE

27:57 TALKING ABOUT YOU KNOW, THAT

27:58 DATA CENTER IS A SUCCESS.

28:00 UM, JUST CURIOUS CHAMP, HOW YOU

28:04 SEE THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN

28:05 BOSTON AND DATA CENTERS THAT

28:06 ARE BUILT OUTSIDE OF THE CITY.

28:08 UM, BECAUSE I REALLY THINK IT'S

28:10 IMPORTANT FOR, UM, KENMORE

28:12 SQUARE TO BE ABLE TO COMPETE

28:14 WITH KENDALL SQUARE AND I THINK

28:16 THAT I DO THINK MAKING SURE

28:18 THAT WE'RE NOT SORT OF BANNING

28:20 ROOMS OF COMPUTERS, UM, YOU

28:22 KNOW, YOU KNOW, AND AND THINGS

28:24 THAT WE MAY NEED TO UM I THINK

28:26 WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE THAT

28:28 HYPERSCALE DATA CENTERS HAVE NO

28:29 PLACE IN BOSTON, BUT WE JUST

28:31 WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WHEN

28:32 WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ZONING AND

28:33 LAND USE, WE'RE NOT DOING

28:34 SOMETHING THAT UNINTENTIONALLY

28:36 ,UH, HANDICAPPED UH, HANDICAPS

28:38 US FROM THE INNOVATION ECONOMY

28:39 .

28:41 ABSOLUTELY.

28:42 UM, BOSTON IS CONSIDERED A

28:44 LEADER IN THINKING ABOUT THIS

28:46 THINKING ABOUT THE

28:47 ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS WITH OUR

28:48 INNOVATION.

28:48 RIGHT.

28:48 AND I ABSOLUTELY THINK THAT

28:51 IT'S SOMETHING WHERE WE CAN

28:52 LEAN IN AND FIND A GOOD MIDDLE

28:54 GROUND WHERE WE'RE CREATING THE

28:56 CAPABILITIES TO BUILD THAT

28:58 INNOVATION AT HOME WHILE WE'RE

29:01 COMPETING BEYOND.

29:04 I THINK THAT THE UM, AS THE

29:06 PLANNING DEPARTMENT IS LOOKING

29:08 INTO UPDATING THE DEFINITION

29:09 OF WHAT A DATA CENTER SHOULD

29:11 BE, WE COULD ALSO LOOK INTO THE

29:14 IMPACTS AND WAYS OF MANAGING

29:16 THEM AND UM, I I I THINK THAT

29:21 THERE IS A WAY OF WORKING IN

29:25 THE IDEA OF MAINTAINING ACCESS

29:27 TO COMPUTE POWER.

29:29 UM, AND THAT'S RELATED TO DATA

29:31 BUT DOESN'T NECESSARILY SIGN US

29:33 UP FOR RUNNING AI MODELS, WHICH

29:36 IS REALLY WHERE I THINK THE

29:37 HYPERSCALE AND THOSE

29:39 CONVERSATIONS HAVE GONE INTO.

29:41 I ALSO THINK THAT THIS IS AN

29:43 OPPORTUNITY FOR US AS A CITY TO

29:46 MODEL, UM, INNOVATIONS IN THE

29:49 MITIGATION OF THE NEGATIVE

29:52 IMPACTS.

29:52 SO WHETHER IT IS ENERGY

29:54 EFFICIENCY, WATER UH

29:57 MANAGEMENT, UM, THESE ARE

29:59 THINGS THAT BOSTON HAS SHOWN

30:00 TIME AND TIME AGAIN THAT HAS

30:02 BEEN ABLE TO ACCOUNT FOR AND

30:04 SHOW, YOU KNOW, OTHER CITIES

30:06 AROUND THE COUNTRY AROUND THE

30:08 WORLD THAT THERE'S WAYS

30:09 OF DEALING WITH THOSE IMPACTS.

30:12 UM, SO I THINK THERE'S A WAY

30:14 OF POSITIONING DATA CENTERS

30:15 WITHIN THE INNOVATION SIDE

30:17 OF THE ECONOMY THAT ACCOUNTS

30:20 FOR THE NEGATIVE BENEFITS BUT

30:23 ALLOWS US TO CONTINUE TO BUILD

30:25 AND.

30:25 BUILD FOR THE FUTURE.

30:26 YEAH.

30:26 AND I THINK THE REASON I'M

30:28 USING THE TERMS INFERENCE POINT

30:29 AND COMPUTING CENTER IS WHEN

30:31 PEOPLE HEAR THE WORD DATA

30:32 CENTER THEY'RE THINKING OF A

30:34 HYPERSCALE, YOU KNOW, FACILITY

30:36 LIKE IN THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE

30:38 BECAUSE THAT'S THE ONLY PLACE

30:39 THAT IT COULD BE BUILT.

30:40 UM, AND AGAIN, UM, I THINK THAT

30:44 HAVING TALKED TO SOME PEOPLE

30:45 THAT ARE SMARTER THAN ME, UM,

30:49 THERE WAS A SUGGESTION THAT WE

30:50 SHOULD APPROACH UM, THIS WITH A

30:53 THRESHOLD BASED LOCAL

30:54 PERMITTING OPTION AND THAT

30:56 BEING DECIDED POTENTIALLY BASED

30:58 ON LIKE HOW MUCH WATER IS BEING

30:59 USED OR HOW MUCH ELECTRICITY IS

31:01 BEING USED.

31:02 HAS THE CITY BEEN GIVING ANY

31:04 THOUGHT TO WHAT WE ARE

31:06 PROTECTING AGAINST WHEN WE

31:07 THINK ABOUT WHAT FRAMEWORK WE

31:09 WANT TO MOVE FORWARD ON THIS

31:10 PARTICULAR.

31:10 WE'RE JUST.

31:11 STARTING WE'RE JUST STARTING

31:12 OUR RESEARCH ON HOW WE SHOULD

31:14 THINK ABOUT THIS IN PARTNERSHIP

31:15 WITH ENVIRONMENT AND PLANNING.

31:18 UM I THINK YOU'VE DONE MORE

31:19 RESEARCH THAN WE HAVE BUT WITH

31:21 THE GLOBAL COMPACT WE'RE USING

31:23 THAT AS A BASIS FOR DEVELOPING

31:25 WHAT WE THINK SHOULD BE

31:27 BOSTON'S POSITION ON THESE

31:29 DEFINITIONS, THE WHAT THE

31:30 THRESHOLDS MIGHT BE AND WHERE

31:32 THEY MIGHT BE.

31:33 I ALSO THINK THAT THERE'S

31:35 POTENTIAL FOR CO-LOCATION

31:36 MEANING RIGHT NOW ONE OF THE

31:38 DATA CENTERS IS RELATED TO UM,

31:40 YOU KNOW, OUR

31:41 TELECOMMUNICATIONS A VERIZON

31:42 CENTER AND AND THERE'S ANOTHER

31:45 DATA CENTER THAT'S ABOVE THE

31:46 MACY'S.

31:47 THERE ARE THERE ARE WAYS

31:50 OF THINKING ABOUT THE WAY THAT

31:52 WE REPURPOSE LAND UM, IN ORDER

31:55 TO MAXIMIZE THE PERFORMANCE.

31:57 AND THERE'S A LOT MORE TO LOOK

31:59 INTO.

31:59 THANK YOU.

32:00 I JUST THINK IT'S REALLY

32:02 IMPORTANT THAT WE NOT HAVE A

32:03 KNEE REACTION TO SOMETHING

32:05 THAT ACTUALLY DOESN'T IMPACT

32:07 THE CITY OF BOSTON BECAUSE IT'S

32:08 LIKE WHEN WE THINK ABOUT AND

32:10 AGAIN, IT DOES IMPACT THE CITY

32:11 OF BOSTON BECAUSE WE ARE A

32:13 LEADER AND PEOPLE ARE LOOKING

32:14 TO US FOR WHAT TO DO NEXT.

32:16 BUT UM, BOSTON BENEFITS FROM

32:19 HAVING A NUANCED CONVERSATION

32:21 ON THIS ISSUE PROBABLY MORE

32:22 THAN ANY OTHER CITY THAT'S

32:23 TALKING ABOUT IT IN

32:25 MASSACHUSETTS.

32:25 SO I THINK IT'S JUST UM, YOU

32:28 KNOW, I THINK IT'S JUST

32:29 IMPORTANT TO UM AND I JUST WANT

32:31 TO THANK MY COLLEAGUES FOR

32:32 BRINGING THIS PROPOSAL FORWARD

32:34 BECAUSE IT GIVES US AN

32:35 OPPORTUNITY TO TALK ABOUT WHAT

32:37 THOSE THRESHOLDS ARE.

32:38 UM, AND WHAT ARE WE TRYING TO

32:40 PROTECT AGAINST AND WHAT

32:41 QUALITY OF LIFE, UM, ISSUES.

32:43 AND I WANT TO THANK THE

32:44 ADMINISTRATION FOR SIGNING ON

32:45 TO THE PACT BECAUSE I THINK IT

32:47 IS AN IMPORTANT FIRST STEP TO

32:49 ACKNOWLEDGING THAT WE DO NOT

32:51 WANT TO HAVE THE NEGATIVE

32:52 IMPACTS OF UM OF DATA CENTERS

32:55 OR AI.

32:56 BUT AGAIN, WE'RE GOING TO HEAR

32:58 TESTIMONY FROM FOLKS, UM, YOU

33:00 KNOW, OF ALL OPINIONS ON THIS

33:02 ISSUE AND MOSTLY WHAT WE DON'T

33:04 WANT IS THE UN YOU KNOW, WE

33:06 DON'T WANT TO UNNECESSARILY BE

33:08 BANNING TECHNOLOGY FROM COMING

33:10 TO BOSTON WHEN AGAIN, WE'RE

33:11 TRYING TO BE A LEADER IN THE

33:13 INNOVATION ECONOMY.

33:14 SO UM, I WE'VE BEEN JOINED BY

33:16 COUNCILOR BAN WEBER.

33:17 WE'RE GOING TO HEAR NOW NEXT

33:18 FROM COUNCILOR LOUIJEUNE.

33:22 THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.

33:24 MADAM CHAIR, I DO BELIEVE

33:26 COUNCILOR FLYNN WAS HERE PRIOR

33:27 TO ME.

33:27 SO SORRY.

33:28 TURN TO HIM AND THEN I WILL

33:29 HAVE MY QUESTION.

33:30 SO SORRY I WENT TO WERE ALL

33:31 FIRST BECAUSE HE WAS A

33:32 CO-SPONSOR AND THEN

33:33 SORRY COUNCILOR FLYNN GO AHEAD

33:35 AND THANK YOU COUNCILOR FLYNN

33:36 FOR UNDERSTANDING.

33:38 THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.

33:39 UM THANK YOU TO THE

33:41 ADMINISTRATION TEAM THAT IS

33:43 HERE.

33:43 I'M ALSO LOOKING FORWARD TO

33:45 HEARING FROM THE COMMUNITY

33:48 INCLUDING MEMBERS OF, UM

33:51 MEMBERS OF THE ORGANIZED LABOR

33:53 THAT'S HERE WHO I HAVE GREAT

33:55 RESPECT FOR AND COMMUNITY

33:57 PARTNERS AS WELL.

34:00 LET ME LET ME ASK YOU EITHER

34:01 ONE OF YOU A QUESTION.

34:02 HOW DO YOU BALANCE THE PROS AND

34:07 CONS OF THE COMMUNITY

34:09 ENGAGEMENT PROCESS?

34:10 SAY ON ONE HAND YOU MIGHT HAVE

34:12 THE UNIVERSITIES AND HOSPITALS

34:17 AND ORGANIZED LABOR THAT DON'T

34:20 WANT TO SEE THESE BANNED.

34:22 AND THEN ON THE OTHER HAND YOU

34:23 MIGHT HAVE COMMUNITY PARTNERS

34:25 ENVIRONMENTAL GROUPS THAT WANT

34:27 TO SEE MORE STRICT REGULATION.

34:29 TELL ME ABOUT THE COMMUNITY

34:30 ENGAGEMENT PROCESS WHERE BOTH

34:34 SIDES WILL REGARDLESS OF WHAT

34:37 HAPPENS, FEEL LIKE THEY'VE BEEN

34:39 HEARD AND RESPECTED EVEN IF

34:41 THEY DON'T GET WHAT EXACTLY

34:43 WHAT THEY WANT.

34:45 WELL I'D SAY THIS IS A GOOD

34:47 FORUM TO START.

34:49 UM I.

34:49 WOULD.

34:50 YOU KNOW, DEFER TO YOU

34:51 CHIEF, BUT THIS IS A RELATIVELY

34:53 NEW INDUSTRY FOR US TO BE

34:55 MANAGING.

34:56 AND AT LEAST IN THE IN ITS

34:58 CURRENT FUNCTION.

34:59 UH, SO I THINK WE HAVE A LOT

35:03 OF EDUCATION TO DO.

35:04 UH, FIRST AND FOREMOST I THINK

35:05 WE HAVE A LOT TO LEARN FROM YOU

35:07 KNOW, THE PANELS THAT ARE

35:08 COMING BEHIND US ABOUT HOW THEY

35:11 ENVISION THE FUTURE OF THIS USE

35:13 EVOLVING AND WHAT THE NEW

35:15 TECHNOLOGY IS GOING TO BRING.

35:16 AND THEN WE HAVE WE NEED TO

35:18 HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THE

35:19 COMMUNITY JUST LIKE WE HAVE ON

35:21 JUST ABOUT EVERY OTHER TOPIC.

35:23 UM WHERE DO YOU WANT TO SEE IT?

35:25 WHAT ARE THE THRESHOLDS?

35:28 UM WHAT ARE THE ENVIRONMENTAL

35:30 IMPACTS ETC.?

35:31 SO THE CITY COUNCIL IS

35:34 PROPOSING TO YOU KNOW, TO TO

35:38 PROHIBIT DATA CENTERS UM FOR

35:41 FOR ZONING BUT HAS THE CITY

35:45 DONE ANYTHING SIMILAR TO THAT?

35:48 MAYBE NOT TO THAT EXTENT, BUT

35:51 HAVE THEY DONE ANYTHING THAT

35:53 LIMITS UM ADVANCED TECHNOLOGY

35:59 UM FROM COMING OR OR LIMITING

36:03 IT IN THE ZONING PROCESS?

36:07 I CAN'T THINK OF A I CAN'T

36:08 THINK OF.

36:09 A ANOTHER SITUATION IN WHICH

36:11 WE'RE OUTRIGHT PROHIBITING

36:12 THINGS THROUGH THE ZONING CODE.

36:14 UM, BECAUSE THERE'S VERY THEY

36:17 WOULD BE LEGALLY DUBIOUS TO DO

36:18 SO.

36:19 SO I THINK THERE ARE CERTAIN

36:20 USES THAT WE'VE RECOGNIZED AS

36:24 NOT CONDUCIVE TO AN URBAN

36:26 FABRIC THAT BUT THERE THERE HAS

36:29 TO BE SOME PATHWAY THAT YOU CAN

36:31 GET TO THE BOARD OF PEEL ON.

36:32 IT'S SORT OF THE LEGAL THAT'S

36:34 WHERE THE LEGAL THRESHOLD IS.

36:37 SO OUTRIGHT PROHIBITING IT

36:38 GIVES US ACTUALLY LESS LESS

36:41 OF OF LIKE LESS FLEXIBILITY

36:43 OVERALL.

36:44 UM IF WE CAN.

36:46 AT THE.

36:47 END OF THE DAY YOU HAVE TO

36:48 PROVIDE A PATHWAY TO GET TO THE

36:50 BOARD OF APPEAL.

36:51 UM, IF YOU HAVE UH YOU KNOW, IF

36:54 YOU'RE BRINGING SOMETHING I

36:55 THINK WE'RE ALSO RELYING ON THE

36:58 THE STATE UM, AND SOMETIMES

37:00 EVEN THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT FOR

37:03 CERTAIN TYPES OF LAND USES THAT

37:05 PROBABLY ARE ABOVE LOCAL

37:06 JURISDICTION.

37:07 SO SO IS IT ACCURATE TO SAY I

37:09 THINK YOU MENTIONED IT BUT THE

37:13 THIS TEXT AMENDMENT IS NOT

37:15 SUPPORTED BY THE

37:16 ADMINISTRATION.

37:17 IS THAT ACCURATE TO SAY.

37:18 YEAH THIS AT THIS TIME WE

37:20 WOULDN'T SUPPORT IT BUT WE

37:21 WOULD CERTAINLY WORK TO AMEND

37:23 IT.

37:24 AND WHAT DO YOU THINK UH IS THE

37:26 ADMINISTRATION NOT SUPPORTING

37:27 IT BECAUSE IT'S TOO TOO

37:31 INCLUSIVE AND IT RESTRICTS SO

37:33 MUCH OR IS ARE YOU THINKING

37:36 MAYBE IF IT WAS KIND OF UM

37:39 NARROWED DOWN UM, WHERE THERE

37:42 WAS SOME TYPE OF COMPROMISE I

37:44 JUST WANTED TO GET AN IDEA

37:45 OF IS THERE A COMPROMISE TO BE

37:47 HAD?

37:48 UM, WITH WITH THIS DOCUMENT

37:53 THAT THAT MAY BE WATERED DOWN

37:55 ON MAY BE THERE MIGHT BE SOME

37:56 COMPROMISE.

37:57 YEAH.

37:58 I DON'T I DON'T THINK WE

37:59 WANT TO NECESSARILY SAY WE'RE

38:00 WATERING DOWN ANYTHING BUT WE

38:01 DEFINITELY NEED TO UPDATE OUR

38:03 ZONING DEFINITIONS.

38:04 SO I THINK THAT'S A GREAT PLACE

38:06 TO START UM DOING THINGS LIKE

38:09 THAT.

38:10 UM AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO HAVE

38:12 WE NEED TO HAVE A CONVERSATION

38:13 ON WHERE THESE SUBDISTRICTS GET

38:16 MAPPED AT THE.

38:17 END OF THE DAY.

38:17 SO HOW WOULD YOU HOW WOULD YOU

38:18 UPDATE THE ZONING REGULATIONS

38:20 THEN HOW WOULD YOU DO THAT?

38:22 WE WOULD WE WOULD LITERALLY

38:23 NEED TO WRITE NEW DEFINITIONS.

38:26 I THINK THE BOTH

38:27 COUNCIL CULPEPER AND

38:28 COUNCILOR WERE ALL HAVE HAVE

38:30 ACTUALLY GIVEN US A GOOD START

38:32 ON UM IN REFERENCE TO THEIR IN

38:35 THIS PARTICULAR PROPOSAL.

38:36 THEY'VE GOT SOME NEW ZONING

38:38 DEFINITIONS THAT WE CAN REVIEW

38:39 AND WORK WITH THEM ON.

38:40 OH SO SO THIS THIS COULD BE A

38:44 START IN THE PROCESS OF WRITING

38:48 DRAFT COMMENTS ABOUT THE ZONING

38:50 CHANGES WHETHER OR NOT YOU

38:52 INCLUDE ALL OF IT.

38:53 BUT THAT'S THAT'S THE START

38:55 FROM COUNCIL IS CULPEPER AND

38:56 WHERE ALL OF OF THE

38:58 CONVERSATION IS THAT ACCURATE.

38:59 OR SAYING I THINK IT'S A

39:00 GOOD START TO THE CONVERSATION.

39:01 OKAY.

39:02 UM I THINK I'M OUT OF TIME

39:03 AND I'LL BE RESPECTFUL TO MY

39:05 COLLEAGUES.

39:05 I'M GOING TO I'M GOING TO STOP

39:06 ASKING QUESTIONS NOW.

39:07 THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.

39:09 THANK YOU SO MUCH,

39:10 COUNCILOR FLYNN.

39:11 COUNCILOR LOUIJEUNE.

39:12 THANK YOU.

39:13 WE DID SOMETHING SIMILAR WITH

39:14 BEEKEEPING WHERE THAT WAS IN

39:15 THE ZONING CODE.

39:16 WE DIDN'T BELIEVE IT BELONGED

39:17 IN THE ZONING CODE.

39:18 WE DID A ZONING AMENDMENT.

39:19 WE HAD TO GO BEFORE THE ZONING

39:20 COMMISSION.

39:21 WE HAD TO CHANGE USES BECAUSE

39:22 THERE ARE THINGS IN THE ZONING

39:23 CODE THAT SO IT WAS A FORBIDDEN

39:25 USE AND THEN UM FOR IN SOME

39:27 AREAS A CONDITIONAL USE AND

39:28 THEN WE WANTED TO MAKE IT ALL

39:29 ABOUT USE AND THEN MADE IT AND

39:30 WE HAD AN ORDINANCE.

39:32 SO THERE ARE MODELS AND THERE

39:33 ARE LOTS OF THINGS IN ZONING

39:34 THAT WE NEED TO UPDATE.

39:36 BUT UM I HAD A QUESTION

39:38 REGARDING UH IT AS A AS IT

39:42 RIGHT NOW IT'S A CONDITIONAL

39:44 USE IN OUR ZONING CODE.

39:46 UH THE TECHNOLOGICAL THE

39:47 TELECOMMUNICATIONS AND DATA

39:48 CENTERS AND UH AND THE TERM IS

39:51 TECHNICAL TECHNOLOGICAL CENTERS

39:53 AND DATA CENTERS.

39:54 YEAH, THE TERM IS

39:56 TELECOMMUNICATIONS AND DATA

39:57 DISTRIBUTION CENTERS.

39:59 IT IS IT IS LARGELY CONDITIONAL

40:02 AND CITYWIDE.

40:04 UH, WITH SOME EXCEPTIONS THERE

40:07 ARE THREE AREAS IN WHICH IT IS

40:09 ALLOWED TO.

40:10 USE WHICH.

40:11 I CAN NAME THEM FOR USE THE NEW

40:14 MARKET IDA THE ROXBURY

40:16 COMMUNITY COLLEGE E STREET AREA

40:19 IN SOUTH BOSTON THAT'S THE

40:20 LIGHT INDUSTRIAL AREA IN SOUTH

40:22 BOSTON.

40:22 YEAH.

40:23 SO AGAIN SIMILAR TO

40:24 BEEKEEPING THERE ARE AREAS LIKE

40:25 WHICH IT'S NOT UH WHOLESALE BUT

40:27 PROBABLY IN THOSE AREAS IF YOU

40:28 THINK ABOUT NEW MARKET OR RCC

40:29 THERE IS EDUCATIONAL OR UM OR

40:33 INDUSTRY REASONS FOR WHY THEY

40:35 WANTED TO SORT OF THEY'VE

40:36 ADVOCATED FOR IT TO BE AN

40:39 ALLOWABLE USE OR THAT'S YOU

40:40 KNOW, THE CITY ALLOWED THAT TO

40:41 BE IN A UH A USE CAN YOU CAN

40:43 YOU IS THERE A WAY TO

40:45 DISTINGUISH BETWEEN THE DATA

40:48 CENTERS THAT UM OR INFORMATION

40:50 WHATEVER THE CORRECT

40:51 TERMINOLOGY IS THE

40:52 TELECOMMUNICATION UNDERS THAT

40:53 WE CURRENTLY HAVE IN THE CITY

40:56 AND THE DATA CENTERS THAT ARE

40:58 NOW A TOPIC OF CONVERSATION

41:01 THAT RELATED VERY MUCH SO TO

41:03 ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE.

41:04 YES.

41:05 AND IT'S THIS CONVERSATION

41:08 CONVERSATIONS HAPPENING BETWEEN

41:08 THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, THE

41:10 ENVIRONMENT DEPARTMENT I WOULD

41:10 SAY INTERNALLY UM WE'RE USING

41:12 SOME OF GOVERNOR HEALEY'S

41:15 EXECUTIVE ORDER TO TRY TO

41:16 FIGURE OUT WHAT THESE TYPES

41:18 OF THRESHOLDS ARE.

41:19 I THINK IT'S LARGELY AROUND

41:21 POWER.

41:23 UM, AND THEN THE IMPACTS.

41:25 SO I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY

41:26 WHERE WE'LL WE'LL GO THAT

41:28 DIRECTION WHEN WE'RE UM GOING

41:31 THROUGH WHAT DEFINITION WHICH

41:33 DATA CENTER, WHICH TYPE OF DOES

41:34 OR FITS IN WHICH CATEGORY.

41:36 BUT I THINK THAT'S THE

41:37 DIRECTION WE'D GO.

41:39 AND DO YOU KNOW WHAT WAS THE

41:41 BASIS OF SORT OF WHERE DID THE

41:44 COMMONWEALTH LOOK TO WHEN

41:45 DRAFTING THE EXECUTIVE ORDER

41:47 THAT THAT THE GOVERNOR DRAFTED

41:48 ?

41:50 I ACTUALLY I DON'T KNOW THE

41:51 BASIS OF THAT EXECUTIVE ORDER.

41:53 OKAY.

41:55 UM, I I KNOW THAT.

41:57 IT.

41:57 WELL, I I HEARD THAT A PART

41:58 OF IT WAS FROM AN ECONOMIC

42:00 DEVELOPMENT BILL THAT IT WAS

42:02 LIKE A PIECE OF AN ECONOMIC

42:03 DEVELOPMENT THAT WAS ALREADY

42:04 DRAFTED AND THEN THAT IT WENT

42:05 TO THE INTO THE EXECUTIVE

42:06 ORDER.

42:07 OKAY.

42:08 THANK YOU.

42:09 UM, I THINK PEOPLE ARE

42:12 RIGHTFULLY I'M RIGHTFULLY

42:14 WORRIED ABOUT THE ROLE THAT

42:15 THESE DATA CENTER AI DRIVEN

42:18 DATA CENTERS, THE ROLE THAT

42:19 THEY WILL HAVE IN OUR

42:21 ENVIRONMENT AND IN OUR

42:23 ECOSYSTEM.

42:23 UM, AND SO I WANT US TO BE VERY

42:26 VIGILANT WHEN IT ESPECIALLY

42:27 WHEN A LOT OF THESE TOOLS I

42:28 MEAN UM, OTHERS LOT OF THESE

42:29 TOOLS ARE USED TO DISCRIMINATE

42:31 AGAINST PEOPLE WHO ARE POOR

42:33 BECAUSE YOU CAN'T FIND

42:34 EMPLOYMENT AGAINST PEOPLE

42:34 OF COLOR.

42:35 AND SO I THINK THERE'S A LOT

42:36 OF REASONS FOR US TO BE

42:37 SKEPTICAL ABOUT THEIR ENTRY.

42:39 UM, I, I WONDER IF THERE ARE

42:42 MODELS THAT OTHER CITIES HAVE

42:43 DONE OR IF WE'VE LOOKED AT SOME

42:44 OF THE OTHER CITIES HAVE DONE

42:46 TO SEE IF THERE ARE OTHER

42:47 MODELS WHO SAID THAT THIS IS A

42:48 GOOD START.

42:49 YOU SAID THAT THE GOVERNOR'S

42:50 EXECUTIVE ORDER PROVIDES A

42:52 BLUEPRINT, BUT ARE THERE CITIES

42:53 OUT THERE THAT ARE PROVIDING A

42:54 BLUEPRINT THAT WE'VE DONE ANY

42:55 RESEARCH ON TO SEE WHAT THEY'RE

42:56 DOING?

42:57 YEAH, WE'RE DEFINITELY SO I

43:00 THINK THIS IS MOSTLY THROUGH

43:01 THE C40, UH, C40 WORK WHERE WE

43:03 DEFINITELY HAVE BEEN UH,

43:05 TALKING WITH OTHER CITIES ABOUT

43:06 HOW THEY'RE HANDING OFF THE TOP

43:08 OF MY HEAD.

43:09 I THINK WE LOOKED AT SEATTLE.

43:12 WE LOOKED AT HOW PHOENIX IS

43:14 HANDLING IT.

43:15 COMPLETELY DIFFERENT USE CASE

43:16 THERE.

43:18 UM, WE'RE LOOKING AT HOW AROUND

43:21 IN THE DC AREA AND VIRGINIA HOW

43:23 THEIR THEIR APPROACH TO DATA

43:25 CENTERS WHICH IS VERY USUALLY

43:26 PRO DATA CENTER.

43:28 UM, PLACES LIKE LONDON AND THE

43:31 UNITED KINGDOM UM AND DUBLIN

43:33 HAS UH UH THE CHAIR MENTIONED.

43:36 SO YEAH I THINK I THINK WE'RE

43:38 TRYING TO TAKE BITS AND PIECES

43:40 STEALING POLICY FROM EACH AND

43:42 EVERY ONE OF THOSE CITIES.

43:44 AND THE CITY YOU MENTIONED A

43:46 CITY THAT SEEMS TO BE VERY LIKE

43:47 DC THAT SEEMS TO BE PRO DATA

43:49 CENTER.

43:50 DC NOT NECESSARILY BUT THE LIKE

43:52 THE OUTSKIRTS THE.

43:54 OUTSKIRTS YEAH.

43:55 IN YOUR AREA.

43:55 BECAUSE WE ALSO HEAR WE HAVE

43:57 ISSUES WITH OUR GRID SO I

43:58 WONDER IF IF THAT'S A

44:00 CONSIDERATION AS WELL RIGHT.

44:01 WE HAVE NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE WE

44:02 ARE HAVING TOUGH CONVERSATIONS

44:04 ABOUT WHERE WE PUT IN A NEW

44:06 SUBSTATION AND ALL OF THAT.

44:07 SO HOW DOES THAT FACTOR INTO

44:08 THESE CONVERSATIONS GIVEN THAT

44:11 WE YOU KNOW, THERE'S THE EAST

44:12 BOSTON SUBSTATION, MANY OF US

44:13 FOUGHT AGAINST THAT.

44:14 UM, AND AT THE SAME TIME WE

44:16 REALIZE THAT WE HAVE ENERGY

44:17 NEEDS THAT ARE URGENT NEEDS

44:19 THAT ARE GROWING ACROSS THE

44:20 CITY.

44:20 SO JUST WANT TO.

44:23 I THINK IT HAS TO BE PART AND

44:24 PARCEL OF THE CONVERSATION.

44:25 YOU CAN'T REALLY SEPARATE THE

44:27 ENERGY CONSUMPTION FROM THE

44:30 DEFINITION OF EVEN THE

44:31 DEFINITION WHERE WE'RE UPDATING

44:33 THE DEFINITION OF DATA CENTERS

44:35 .

44:35 IT IS REALLY ABOUT THE ENERGY

44:36 THAT THEY'RE CONSUMING.

44:38 UM, IN ORDER FOR US TO SIZE

44:40 THEM AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE

44:41 HANDLING EACH OF THE REQUESTS

44:43 APPROPRIATELY.

44:45 UM, I, I DO THINK THAT WHAT WE

44:48 WANT TO DO IS MAKE SURE WE

44:49 MAINTAIN SOME LOCAL CONTROL

44:51 OVER WHERE THEY GO AND ARE

44:53 CREATING OPPORTUNITIES FOR

44:55 COMMUNITY INPUT TO BE PART

44:57 OF THAT PROCESS.

44:58 YEAH.

44:58 WHICH IS WHY THE CONDITIONAL

44:59 USE IS AN IMPORTANT PART

45:00 OF SORT OF THE CURRENT ZONING

45:01 THAT YEAH YEAH OKAY.

45:03 THOSE ARE MY QUESTIONS.

45:04 THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR.

45:05 THANK YOU SO MUCH.

45:06 UM AND JUST TAKING A LITTLE BIT

45:08 OF MY PRIVILEGE AS THE CHAIR

45:09 UM, IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE, UH

45:12 THAT CONVERSATION THAT WE'RE

45:15 HAVING BE REALLY NUANCED

45:17 BECAUSE WE'RE ESSENTIALLY UM,

45:20 ESSENTIALLY RIGHT NOW THERE'S

45:23 NO HYPERSCALE DATA CENTERS THAT

45:24 ARE PROPOSED AND THERE'S NOT NO

45:26 PERSON WHO WOULD WANT TO SPEND

45:28 NO NO NO COMPANY THAT WOULD

45:30 WANT TO SPEND THAT MUCH ON LAND

45:33 AND THAT MUCH ON CONSTRUCTION

45:34 IN THE CITY OF BOSTON.

45:35 WE'RE NOT EVEN YOU KNOW WHAT I

45:36 MEAN?

45:37 THERE'S A BUNCH OF PROJECTS

45:38 THAT EVERYONE WANTS THAT WE

45:39 CAN'T GET OFF THE GROUND RIGHT

45:40 NOW.

45:41 SO UM SO THOUGH THIS IS AN

45:42 IMPORTANT CONVERSATION TO HAVE

45:45 IT IT IT REALLY IS ABOUT WHAT

45:48 USES EXIST.

45:50 UM, AND I JUST THINK IT'S

45:51 IMPORTANT THAT UM, WHATEVER WE

45:55 DO HERE IS GOING TO IMPACT THE

45:56 DATA CENTERS THAT CURRENTLY

45:57 EXIST IN THE CITY OF BOSTON.

45:59 IT MIGHT NOT IMPACT THEM

46:00 BECAUSE THEY'RE PREEXISTING

46:02 NON-CONFORMING, BUT IT MAY END

46:04 UP IMPACTING THEM WHEN THEY

46:05 WANT TO COME IN TO CHANGE

46:06 SOMETHING ABOUT THE PROJECT

46:08 THAT THEY CURRENTLY HAVE TO

46:09 MAKE IT MORE GREEN.

46:11 AND SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE

46:12 THAT WHATEVER WE DO IS ALLOWING

46:14 PEOPLE TO CHANGE THEIR CURRENT

46:18 INTO LIKE FOR INSTANCE THE DATA

46:20 CENTER ABOVE THE MACY'S THAT WE

46:21 ARE ABLE TO MAKE THAT DATA

46:23 CENTER MORE GREEN WHEN THAT

46:24 TIME COMES WHEN THEY'RE ABLE TO

46:26 DO THAT WORK.

46:27 SO UM SO NEXT WE'LL HEAR FROM

46:29 COUNCILOR WEBER.

46:30 UM, WE'RE GOING TO GO TO THE

46:32 NEXT PANEL AFTER THAT EXCEPT

46:33 FOR WE'RE GOING TO ALLOW A

46:34 COUPLE QUESTIONS FROM THE LEAD

46:36 SPONSOR.

46:36 UM ADDITIONALLY GO AHEAD,

46:38 COUNCILOR WEBER OKAY.

46:39 UH THANKS.

46:40 UH, YEAH.

46:40 JUST FOLLOWING UP ON THAT LAST

46:41 POINT FOR UH, JEFF.

46:45 TO YOU KNOW, IF IF WE WERE

46:46 GOING TO REGULATE.

46:47 DATA CENTERS, IS THERE

46:48 SOMETHING AND CAN WE IS A

46:50 ZONING CODE A GOOD TOOL.

46:52 TO REQUIRE.

46:52 ENERGY EFFICIENT, YOU KNOW,

46:54 SORT OF GREEN UH, TECHNOLOGY OR

46:57 GREEN, YOU KNOW, ENERGY SOURCES

47:00 WITH THAT?

47:00 UH.

47:02 WE'VE CERTAINLY DONE SOME

47:03 OF THAT THROUGH THE ZONING

47:04 CODE.

47:04 I WOULD SAY THAT THE

47:07 DEFINITIONS ARE WHAT MATTERS UH

47:09 ,IN TERMS OF LIKE FIRST AND

47:11 FOREMOST.

47:12 SO FIGURING OUT WHAT CATEGORIES

47:15 OF DATA CENTERS WE'RE TALKING

47:16 ABOUT AND WHERE THEY'RE ALLOWED

47:18 WHERE THEY MIGHT BE CONDITIONAL

47:19 ,WHERE THEY MIGHT BE FORBIDDEN

47:22 IS AND THAT'S PROBABLY BASED

47:23 OFF OF YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH

47:26 OUTPUT THERE THAT THEY REQUIRE

47:28 .

47:29 UM AND SO FROM WHAT YOU KNOW

47:31 ABOUT THE PROJECTS IN GENERAL

47:33 AND PLANNING IN THE CITY LIKE

47:34 WE'RE NOT EXPECTING TO SEE A

47:37 PROPOSAL FOR LIKE ONE OF THE

47:38 HYPER SCALE, UH, DATA CENTERS

47:42 HERE.

47:42 I'M I'M I'M DEFINITELY NOT

47:44 EXPECTING THAT UH, GIVEN OUR

47:46 LAND VALUES.

47:48 AND I GUESS, YOU KNOW, EVEN SO,

47:49 OTHER CITIES LIKE WE HEAR ABOUT

47:50 LIKE PHOENIX, ARIZONA I MEAN,

47:53 I, I ALMOST LIKE YOU KNOW, NOT

47:55 ALL CITIES ARE THE SAME AND I

47:57 FEEL LIKE THERE'S LOTS OF LAND

47:59 .

47:59 IS THERE SOMETHING ABOUT BOSTON

48:00 SPECIFICALLY THAT YOU WOULDN'T

48:02 EXPECT US TO SEE IT HERE?

48:03 BUT YOU KNOW.

48:06 I JUST THINK WE HAVE A LIMITED

48:08 AMOUNT OF INDUSTRIAL LAND IN

48:09 THE CITY.

48:10 UM, IT'S A DENSELY POPULATED

48:13 AREA AND AND AGAIN THE LAND

48:16 VALUES ARE SUPER HIGH.

48:18 SO UH, TO.

48:20 TO UH BASICALLY GET ALL OF THAT

48:23 LAND WOULD REQUIRE QUITE A LOT.

48:26 OKAY.

48:26 AND IS THERE SOMETHING ABOUT

48:28 PROXIMITY TO THESE DATA CENTERS

48:30 THAT'S HELPFUL?

48:31 I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IT SEEMS LIKE

48:33 IF THEY BUILD SOMETHING IN

48:36 NEBRASKA LIKE THAT WE COULD

48:37 BENEFIT FROM THAT.

48:39 I JUST DON'T KNOW EXACTLY HOW

48:41 UM, YOU KNOW, WOULD A COMPANY

48:43 WANT TO BUILD ONE?

48:44 I THINK.

48:46 IT IT HELPS IT HELPS A BIT BUT

48:49 UM, FOR EXAMPLE SOME OF OUR OUR

48:51 CLOUD INFRASTRUCTURE IS IN A

48:54 CENTER IN NEW JERSEY.

48:55 UM, SO IT IT HELPS A BIT AND

48:58 YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T WANT TO YOU

49:00 DON'T WANT TO BE POWERING YOUR

49:02 CLOUD FROM THE WEST COAST IF

49:04 YOU'RE ON THE EAST COAST.

49:06 BUT UM THERE IS NOW WAYS

49:10 OF MOVING THAT ACCESS ALONG.

49:14 UM AND DO YOU THINK IF WE DON'T

49:16 HAVE DATA CENTERS HERE LIKE

49:17 WOULD THAT INFLUENCE COMPANIES

49:21 WANTING TO, YOU KNOW, HAVE

49:22 THEIR SORT OF HEADQUARTERS

49:24 HERE?

49:25 YOU KNOW WE'RE SEEING I THINK

49:27 AMAZON YOU KNOW, ISN'T USING

49:28 ALL THE SPACE THAT THEY WERE

49:30 ORIGINALLY GOING TO USE.

49:32 UH IS THAT EASY TO DO WITH

49:34 ACCESS TO THE DATA CENTERS OR

49:37 DATA CENTERS?

49:40 I HONESTLY I HAVEN'T I HAVEN'T

49:41 HEARD THAT I THINK THAT IN THE

49:43 UPDATE OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING

49:45 ABOUT NOW SO BEYOND THE

49:46 HYPERSCALE 100 MEGAWATT TYPE

49:50 OF INFRASTRUCTURE UM THE WAY

49:53 WHAT WE HOW WE DEFINE THE ONE

49:56 THE THE DATA CENTERS THAT ARE

49:58 FOR, YOU KNOW, INSTITUTIONAL

49:59 USE OR UM, SOME OF THE

50:03 INNOVATION IN THE ECONOMY TYPE

50:05 OF COMPANIES WILL WILL MATTER.

50:06 BUT I DON'T THINK THAT THIS HAS

50:08 BEEN AN INHIBITOR IN ANY WAY

50:10 THAT THERE'S ENOUGH ACCESS TO

50:12 REGIONAL DATA CENTERS, UM ALONG

50:14 THE EAST COAST ANYWAY OR THE

50:16 MIDWEST THAT IS SUFFICIENT TO

50:20 POWER OUR COMPANIES TO OKAY.

50:22 AND I GUESS SO VIRGINIA AS WE

50:24 TALKED ABOUT HAS THE THE MOST

50:26 DATA CENTERS IN THE COUNTRY.

50:28 UH AND DO YOU KNOW WHY THAT IS.

50:32 THEY MIGHT I TO BE I DON'T I I

50:35 DON'T KNOW FOR SURE MY GUESS IS

50:37 THERE'S A FEW THERE'S A

50:39 DEVELOPER OF LAND THAT IT'S NOT

50:41 TOO EXPENSIVE AND THEY HAVE

50:44 POLICIES THAT ARE MORE

50:45 CONDUCIVE UM IT DOESN'T IT HAS

50:49 GENERALLY IT HAS TENDED TO REST

50:52 LESS ON ENERGY BECAUSE THEY

50:55 WILL THEY WILL COME UP WITH

50:57 THAT ENERGY INFRASTRUCTURE UM

50:59 MAYBE AT THE COST OF THE

51:01 COMMUNITY.

51:01 OKAY.

51:02 AND THEN I GUESS THAT SORT

51:03 OF YOU KNOW, I THINK

51:05 UNDERSTANDING THE NEGATIVE

51:06 IMPACTS UH OF THE OF THE DATA

51:09 CENTERS UM, IF WE DON'T HAVE

51:11 ONE IN BOSTON THAT I THINK THAT

51:14 THAT'S WE ALL AGREED WE DON'T

51:15 WANT TO SEE IT HERE BUT IF IT'S

51:17 JUST OUTSIDE IT'S GOING TO HAVE

51:18 THE SAME IMPACT.

51:19 SO WHAT IS THE STATE HOW'S THE

51:20 STATE DOING IN TERMS

51:22 OF REGULATING THAT.

51:23 AND YOU KNOW WHAT DO YOU THINK

51:25 WE COULD DO TO.

51:28 UH WELL THERE'S A I THINK

51:29 THERE'S A MORATORIUM ON THEM

51:30 RIGHT NOW.

51:32 UM UNTIL I THINK FURTHER

51:35 CONVERSATION BUT THERE'S A YEAR

51:37 MORATORIUM ON THEM.

51:38 I BELIEVE.

51:39 I SO I'LL JUST SAY THAT THE

51:41 GOVERNOR HAS DONE AN EXECUTIVE

51:43 ORDER PUSHING IT TO LOCAL

51:45 CONTROL, WHICH IS.

51:46 WELL.

51:47 KIND OF WHY WE'RE HAVING

51:48 THIS CONVERSATION AS A CITY.

51:50 UM, BUT I ALSO THINK IT'S

51:51 REALLY IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT

51:53 WE DO UM, COUNCILOR WEBER HAVE

51:55 SOME DATA CENTERS THAT EXIST

51:56 WITHIN THE CITY OF BOSTON.

51:57 UM, SO IT'S NOT THAT WE WON'T

52:00 OR DON'T HAVE ANY DATA CENTERS,

52:01 IT'S THAT THEY'RE PROBABLY JUST

52:03 NOT WHAT YOU'RE IMAGINING AND.

52:04 I'M REFERRING TO THE HYPER.

52:06 YEAH.

52:06 I THINK.

52:07 YOU KNOW, UH UH AND SO IT'S

52:10 GOING TO BE LEFT TO LOCAL

52:11 CONTROL BUT I MEAN I GUESS JUST

52:14 AS A FOLLOW UP ANY ANY

52:15 SUGGESTIONS FOR ADVOCACY AT THE

52:16 STATE LEVEL?

52:18 UH.

52:21 I DON'T KNOW I.

52:26 I MEAN FROM FROM WHERE WE ARE

52:28 AS YOU CAN SEE THAT WE'RE SORT

52:29 OF BEGINNING TO FIGURE THIS

52:31 OUT.

52:31 I THINK IT'S A RELATIVELY NEW I

52:35 MEAN, HYPERSCALERS HAVE ONLY

52:37 COME INTO THE LEXICON

52:40 RELATIVELY RECENTLY.

52:40 SO I THINK WE'RE ALL IN THE

52:42 SAME SORT OF POSITION WHERE

52:43 WE'RE UM, MAYBE IN A LITTLE BIT

52:46 OF A REACTIVE STANCE.

52:47 BUT I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE'RE

52:48 THINKING ABOUT THIS STUFF AND I

52:49 THINK UH, AS THE CITY OF BOSTON

52:52 WE FEEL PRETTY COMFORTABLE

52:54 ABOUT THE CURRENT REGULATORY

52:56 TOOLS THAT WE HAVE TO.

52:58 TO POTENTIALLY HAVE TO NAVIGATE

53:02 UH, SOMEBODY THAT'S EITHER

53:03 PROPOSING ONE OR AND I THINK

53:05 THE STATE FEELS SIMILARLY ABOUT

53:07 WHAT THEY HAVE.

53:08 UM, IT'S IT WAS PROPOSED IN YOU

53:11 KNOW, IN THE GREATER BOSTON

53:12 AREA.

53:13 UM.

53:14 I MEAN ONE THING I WOULD ADD

53:15 IS THAT POWER IS EXPENSIVE

53:17 AROUND HERE.

53:18 UM, THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY

53:21 GREAT FOR RUNNING A HYPERSCALER

53:22 DATA CENTER.

53:24 THE ONLY OTHER THING I WAS

53:25 GOING TO ADD IS BECAUSE WE IT

53:28 IS IT HAS BEEN PUSHED TO LOCAL

53:29 AUTHORITY.

53:29 THE WORK THAT WE'RE TRYING TO

53:31 STAND UP NOW IS TO APPLY SOME

53:33 OF THE BEST PRACTICES FROM

53:34 THESE OTHER PLACES AND MAKE

53:37 SURE THAT THEY REFLECT BOSTON

53:38 GOALS BOSTON PLANS UM, THIS

53:42 ZONING EFFORT.

53:44 UM, SO THERE'S THERE'S QUITE A

53:46 FEW THINGS THAT WE HAVE

53:47 UNDERWAY THAT TO JEFF'S POINT,

53:49 WE HAVE SOME REGULATORY

53:50 STRUCTURE IN PLACE ALREADY THAT

53:52 IMPLIES A CERTAIN KIND OF UM,

53:55 AUTHORITY OVER THE OVER THE

53:57 DATA CENTERS THAT WOULD COME

53:58 IN.

53:59 OKAY.

54:00 YEAH.

54:00 THANK YOU.

54:00 CHAIR.

54:01 THANK YOU SO MUCH,

54:01 COUNCILOR WEBER.

54:02 UM, AS, UM, COUNCILOR CULPEPPER

54:05 IS THE LEAD SPONSOR, I WANTED

54:06 TO GIVE HIM AN ADDITIONAL THREE

54:07 MINUTES.

54:08 HE HAD A COUPLE MORE QUESTIONS

54:09 AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO MOVE TO

54:10 THE NEXT PANEL.

54:11 UM, JUST THERE IS GOING TO BE

54:13 TWO TESTIMONY.

54:15 UM, MY TWO PIECES TWO PEOPLE

54:17 ARE GOING TO TESTIFY IN BETWEEN

54:18 THE SECOND AND THIRD PANEL.

54:20 SO SAM CAHILL, YOU'LL BE THE

54:21 FIRST PERSON TO TESTIFY.

54:23 UM, COUNCILOR CULPEPPER, YOU

54:24 HAVE THE FLOOR.

54:25 THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.

54:26 UH, JUST HAD A COUPLE

54:28 OF QUESTIONS.

54:29 ONE OF THEM HAD THAT HAD TO DO

54:30 WITH THE C40 PACK AND THE CITY

54:33 40 PACKS.

54:34 AS WE'RE ESTABLISHING THE

54:36 GLOBAL CITY VISION FOR THE

54:37 SECTOR THROUGH FOUR KEY PILLARS

54:41 SETTING A CLEAR STANDARD FOR

54:43 SUSTAINABLE URBAN DATA CENTERS

54:45 GROUNDED IN EQUITY AND

54:47 COMMUNITY BENEFITS THAT MEET

54:49 LOCAL RESIDENTS NEEDS.

54:51 HOW ARE YOU ENGAGING THE LOCAL

54:54 COMMUNITY IN ORDER TO

54:56 UNDERSTAND WHAT THE LOCAL

54:58 RESIDENTS NEEDS ARE?

55:00 UM, WELL, PLANNING HAS A

55:03 PLAYBOOK.

55:03 I THINK THIS IS YOU KNOW, THESE

55:05 DATA CENTERS IF THEY WERE

55:07 COMPLETELY NEW AND NOT UM,

55:09 DOUBLE YOU KNOW, REPURPOSE OR

55:11 DOUBLE CO-LOCATED WOULD BE A

55:14 BIG PIECE OF WOULD BE ANOTHER

55:15 BIG BUILDING OR SOME KIND

55:17 OF NEW CONSTRUCTION.

55:19 AND WE HAVE A PROCESS NOW WHERE

55:22 WE HAVE A WE HAVE A COMMUNITY

55:25 ENGAGEMENT PROCESS.

55:27 WE SHOULD BE TALKING ABOUT

55:28 COMMUNITY BENEFITS, UM TO

55:31 REFLECT WHAT THE IMMEDIATELY

55:33 SURROUNDING COMMUNITY NEEDS AS

55:34 WELL AS THE WIDER CITY.

55:36 AND I ALSO BELIEVE THIS IS A

55:38 VERY, VERY NEW TOPIC.

55:39 THERE ARE CONVERSATIONS WITH

55:43 RESEARCHERS AND EVEN THE UM I

55:47 IT'S A FRONTIER COMPANY.

55:48 SO LIKE THE ANTHROPIC THE UM

55:51 THE UM OPEN THE EYES ON HOW TO

55:54 ACCOUNT FOR THE UM THE HOW TO

55:59 MITIGATE THE IMPACT ON

56:01 COMMUNITIES RECOGNIZING THAT

56:01 THERE IS THAT IMPACT.

56:02 AND SO THOSE CONVERSATIONS ARE

56:04 UNDER WAY AND WHAT WE ARE

56:07 TRYING TO DO WITH THESE RE

56:08 DEFINITIONS IS TO MAKE SURE

56:09 THAT WE'RE READY FOR THEM.

56:10 JUST A YES OR NO ANSWER.

56:11 WHAT ABOUT THE COMMUNITY?

56:13 HAVE YOU GONE TO THE COMMUNITY

56:14 YET TO BEGIN THOSE DISCUSSIONS

56:16 WITH THE COMMUNITIES?

56:18 WELL THERE'S NO CURRENT

56:19 PROPOSAL.

56:20 SO WHAT SHE'S SAYING IS THAT

56:21 WHAT HAPPENED.

56:22 AFTER I UNDERSTAND BUT I'M

56:23 LOOKING AT IT FROM THE C40

56:25 PERSPECTIVE.

56:26 WE'RE A MEMBER OF THAT.

56:27 I'M JUST ASKING YOU AS A RESULT

56:30 OF WHAT C40 SAID, SO HAVE WE

56:32 STARTED THOSE DISCUSSIONS WITH

56:33 THE COMMUNITY ABOUT WHAT THEIR

56:35 NEEDS ARE AND WHAT THE

56:37 COMMUNITY BENEFITS ARE?

56:38 WE HAVE NOT STARTED THOSE

56:40 DISCUSSIONS.

56:41 OKAY.

56:42 THE OTHER QUESTION I HAD HAD

56:44 TO DO WITH THE FRANCHISE

56:46 LICENSE IS THAT YOU SAID YOU

56:47 HAVE WITH OTHER BUSINESSES.

56:49 WHAT ARE THOSE OTHER BUSINESSES

56:50 THAT WE HAVE FRANCHISE LICENSES

56:52 WITH?

56:53 THE ONE THE MODEL.

56:54 I WAS REFERRING TO IS WITH

56:56 OUR TELECOMMUNICATIONS, UM, WE

56:58 HAVE A FRANCHISE WITH VERIZON

57:01 AND IF YOU WOULD LIKE MORE

57:03 INFORMATION ABOUT THAT.

57:04 HAPPY TO SEND THEM ALONG.

57:05 I'M NOT THE EXPERT ON THAT.

57:07 IS ARISING THE ONLY BUSINESS.

57:09 THAT'S THE ONE I'M AWARE OF.

57:10 OKAY.

57:11 IF THERE ARE OTHERS CAN YOU

57:12 LET US KNOW THROUGH THE COURSE?

57:14 AND MY FINAL QUESTION WAS FOR

57:16 JEFF.

57:16 JEFF, WHEN YOU TALKED ABOUT

57:18 THOSE THREE AREAS WHERE UH

57:21 THEIR ALLOWABLE USE I WASN'T IT

57:24 WASN'T CLEAR TO ME.

57:25 WHAT THE ALLOWABLE USE HIS

57:26 WORTH FOR THOSE THREE AREAS

57:28 THAT ROXBURY, SOUTH BOSTON AND

57:30 NEW MARKET AREA.

57:32 THAT IS JUST THE THOSE ARE JUST

57:34 THE AREAS THAT ARE THAT

57:37 TELECOMMUNICATIONS AND DATA

57:38 CENTER DISTRIBUTION ARE ALL OWN

57:40 .

57:40 HOW DO.

57:41 YOU READ THE AREAS OR THE

57:42 ZONING CODE AREAS?

57:46 YEAH.

57:46 SO IT'S THE NEW MARKET IDA

57:48 THIS EXCLUDING THE CORE

57:51 INDUSTRIAL GATEWAY INDUSTRIAL

57:51 AND CREATIVE INDUSTRIAL

57:53 SUBDISTRICT.

57:54 SO IT'S UH.

57:54 SAY THAT AGAIN.

57:56 NEW MARKET IDEA.

57:57 AND EXCLUDING WHAT.

57:59 I CAN GET ALL OF THIS TO YOU ON

58:01 THE RHETORIC FOR SURE.

58:02 UH, BUT YES, IT'S EXCLUDING

58:04 CORE INDUSTRIAL GATEWAY

58:06 INDUSTRIAL AND CREATIVE

58:07 INDUSTRIAL SUBDISTRICTS.

58:09 UM, THEN THERE'S ONE IN THE

58:11 ROXBURY COMMUNITY COLLEGE

58:12 SUBDISTRICT.

58:13 IT'S AN ALLOWED USE.

58:14 WE ACTUALLY I BELIEVE THE

58:16 BACKSTORY ON THAT IS THAT THEY

58:17 WERE APPLYING FOR A GRANT AND

58:20 WE WANTED AS A CITY TO SHOW

58:21 SUPPORT FOR, YOU KNOW, THE

58:24 DEVELOPMENT OF SOME TECHNICAL

58:25 LOGICAL EDUCATION INNOVATION,

58:28 UH, STUFF.

58:29 I DON'T THINK THEY ENDED UP

58:30 ACTUALLY BUILDING WHAT THEY

58:31 WERE HOPING TO BUILD.

58:33 UM, AND THEN THE FINAL ONE IS

58:35 THE E STREET AREA IN SOUTH

58:36 BOSTON, WHICH IS THE LIGHT

58:37 INDUSTRIAL SUB DISTRICT IN

58:39 SOUTH BOSTON.

58:40 THANKS.

58:40 YEAH.

58:41 AND I'M LOOKING FOR YOU TO

58:42 PROVIDE ALL THE STUFF WHEN YOU

58:44 GET A CHANCE IF YOU WOULD, UM,

58:46 PROVIDE ALL THAT STUFF SO WE

58:47 COULD TAKE A LOOK AT IT AND

58:48 THEN SIT DOWN, DISCUSS IT.

58:50 THANK YOU.

58:50 SO HAPPY TO DO SO.

58:51 THANK YOU, COUNCILOR CULPEPER.

58:53 UM, AND THANK YOU TO OUR

58:55 ESTEEMED PANEL.

58:55 YOU ARE RELIEVED WE'RE GOING TO

58:58 MOVE TO UM TO PUBLIC TESTIMONY

59:00 AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO GO.

59:02 UM, IF IF THOSE THAT ARE ON THE

59:03 SECOND PANEL COULD GO AHEAD AND

59:05 COME DOWN.

59:06 UM AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO GO

59:07 TO SAM CAHILL AND DAN DALEY FOR

59:10 TESTIMONY AND FOR TESTIMONY YOU

59:13 CAN STAND AT EITHER OF THESE

59:15 TWO MICROPHONES.

59:22 YEAH.

59:25 I THINK THERE MIGHT BE A

59:26 SECOND.

59:26 PITCH LIKE.

59:26 I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S IT?

59:29 SAM I'LL ASK YOU TO GO ONCE

59:32 THEY'RE ALL SEATED OKAY.

59:32 OKAY.

59:40 PERFECT.

59:40 SAM, YOU CAN GO AHEAD.

59:42 GREAT.

59:42 GOOD AFTERNOON, CHAIR DURKAN

59:43 AND MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL.

59:45 MY NAME IS SAM CAHILL AND I AM

59:46 HERE ON BEHALF OF ALONG WITH

59:47 COLLECTIVE AND OUR HEALTH CARE,

59:49 HIGHER EDUCATION AND CULTURAL

59:50 MEMBER INSTITUTIONS IN THE

59:51 LONGWOOD MEDICAL AND ACADEMIC

59:53 AREA.

59:53 THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY

59:55 TO COMMENT ON DOCKET 1718.

59:57 WE UNDERSTAND THAT THE

59:58 COUNCIL IS GRAPPLING WITH

59:59 IMPORTANT QUESTIONS ABOUT LAND

1:00:00 USE, INFRASTRUCTURE AND

1:00:01 BOSTON'S LONG TERM GROWTH ALONG

1:00:03 WITH COLLECTIVE IS NOT HERE

1:00:04 TODAY TO TAKE A POSITION ON THE

1:00:05 BROADER POLICY CONVERSATIONS

1:00:07 AROUND DATA CENTERS.

1:00:08 RATHER, WE'RE HERE TO TALK

1:00:09 ABOUT A TECHNICAL ASPECT

1:00:10 OF THIS PROPOSAL BECAUSE WE

1:00:12 HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THE

1:00:12 POTENTIAL UNINTENDED

1:00:14 CONSEQUENCES OF THE PETITION AS

1:00:15 CURRENTLY DRAFTED.

1:00:17 WE APPRECIATE THE EFFORT

1:00:18 REFLECTED IN THE AMENDMENT TO

1:00:19 DISTINGUISH DATA CENTERS FROM

1:00:20 RESEARCH LABORATORIES AND

1:00:22 EDUCATIONAL FACILITIES BECAUSE

1:00:24 WE BELIEVE THAT DISTINCTION IS

1:00:25 IMPORTANT WHEN MANY PEOPLE

1:00:27 THINK ABOUT DATA CENTERS,

1:00:28 THEY'RE UNDERSTANDABLY THINKING

1:00:29 ABOUT A PARTICULAR TYPE

1:00:30 OF STANDALONE HYPERSCALE

1:00:31 FACILITY.

1:00:33 HOSPITALS, UNIVERSITIES AND

1:00:34 RESEARCH INSTITUTIONS, HOWEVER,

1:00:37 INCREASINGLY RELY ON

1:00:38 SOPHISTICATED COMPUTING

1:00:40 INFRASTRUCTURE AS PART OF THEIR

1:00:41 HEALTH CARE, EDUCATIONAL

1:00:42 RESEARCH AND OPERATIONAL

1:00:43 MISSIONS.

1:00:44 DESPITE THESE DISTINCTIONS, WE

1:00:46 REMAIN CONCERNED THAT THE

1:00:47 PROPOSAL IS STILL BROAD ENOUGH

1:00:48 TO CREATE UNCERTAINTY REGARDING

1:00:50 THE COMPUTING INFRASTRUCTURE

1:00:52 UPON WHICH OUR INSTITUTIONS

1:00:53 RELY, INCLUDING SYSTEMS THAT

1:00:55 SUPPORT PATIENT CARE,

1:00:57 SCIENTIFIC RESEARCH, MEDICAL

1:00:58 AND EXCUSE ME MEDICAL EDUCATION

1:01:01 AND INSTITUTIONAL OPERATIONS AS

1:01:03 WELL AS THOSE THAT RELY ON

1:01:04 NETWORK INFRASTRUCTURE AND

1:01:05 THIRD PARTY HOSTING OR

1:01:06 CO-LOCATION ARRANGEMENTS.

1:01:09 FOR THAT REASON, BEFORE THE

1:01:11 COUNCIL CONSIDERS ADVANCING

1:01:12 THIS PROPOSAL, WE RESPECTFULLY

1:01:13 REQUEST THAT ANY AMENDMENT

1:01:15 CLEARLY EXCLUDE HEALTH CARE,

1:01:16 ACADEMIC RESEARCH, CLINICAL AND

1:01:18 INSTITUTIONAL COMPUTING

1:01:20 INFRASTRUCTURE.

1:01:21 AS TECHNOLOGY CONTINUES TO

1:01:22 EVOLVE, THESE CAPABILITIES WILL

1:01:24 BECOME INCREASINGLY IMPORTANT

1:01:26 TO WORK TO THE WORK THAT OUR

1:01:27 INSTITUTIONS DO EVERY DAY.

1:01:29 WE BELIEVE ANY ZONING AMENDMENT

1:01:30 SHOULD BE DRAFTED CAREFULLY

1:01:31 ENOUGH TO ENSURE THAT

1:01:32 INSTITUTIONAL COMPUTING

1:01:34 FUNCTIONS AND THE ACTIVITIES

1:01:35 THEY SUPPORT ARE NOT

1:01:36 INADVERTENTLY AFFECTED BY

1:01:38 DEFINITIONS INTENDED TO ADDRESS

1:01:40 A DIFFERENT CATEGORY OF USE.

1:01:42 THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND

1:01:43 CONSIDERATION ALONG WITH

1:01:44 COLLECTIVE STANDS READY TO

1:01:45 SERVE AS A RESOURCE AS THESE

1:01:47 DISCUSSIONS CONTINUE.

1:01:48 OKAY THANK YOU SO MUCH SAM.

1:01:51 UM, DAN DALEY, YOU HAVE TWO

1:01:53 MINUTES.

1:01:54 THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.

1:01:55 AND UH, THANK YOU MY BOSTON

1:01:56 CITY COUNCILORS FOR THE

1:01:58 OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.

1:01:59 MY NAME IS DANIEL DALEY.

1:02:00 I'M A LIFELONG BOSTON RESIDENT

1:02:01 AND I'M A BUSINESS

1:02:03 REPRESENTATIVE FOR LOCAL 103

1:02:04 WITH THE ELECTRICIANS UNION.

1:02:06 AND UH, MY BIGGEST CONCERN WITH

1:02:08 THIS PROPOSAL IS THE POTENTIAL

1:02:10 IMPACT ON WORKING FAMILIES AND

1:02:11 THE FUTURE JOB OPPORTUNITIES IN

1:02:13 BOSTON, THOUSANDS OF LOCAL ONE

1:02:15 AND THREE MEMBERS OF BOSTON

1:02:17 RESIDENTS THEY'RE RAISING

1:02:18 FAMILIES HERE.

1:02:19 THE, UM THE BUYING HOMES HERE

1:02:21 AND PAYING RENT AND MOST

1:02:23 IMPORTANTLY SUPPORTING SMALL

1:02:24 BUSINESSES.

1:02:25 WE HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO

1:02:26 MAKE SURE THESE OPPORTUNITIES

1:02:28 REMAIN AVAILABLE FOR THE NEXT

1:02:30 GENERATION OF LABOR.

1:02:32 I BELIEVE THERE'S A DIFFERENCE

1:02:33 BETWEEN RESPONSIBLY REGULATING

1:02:35 DEVELOPMENT AND CREATING

1:02:37 BARRIERS THAT COULD DISCOURAGE

1:02:38 ENTIRE CATEGORY OF PROJECTS

1:02:40 BEFORE THEY EVEN EVALUATED

1:02:43 INDIVIDUALLY.

1:02:45 TECHNOLOGY CONTINUES TO IMPROVE

1:02:47 OUR OUR ELECTRICIANS ARE

1:02:49 INSTALLING ADVANCED ELECTRICAL

1:02:50 SYSTEMS THAT MAKE FACILITIES

1:02:51 MORE EFFICIENT AND SUSTAINABLE

1:02:53 .

1:02:54 WE SHOULD ENCOURAGE THAT

1:02:55 INNOVATION WHILE DEMANDING HIGH

1:02:56 STANDARDS.

1:02:58 WE NEED A FAIR REVIEW PROCESS

1:02:59 IF A PROJECT ISN'T RIGHT FOR

1:03:01 BOSTON, THE CITY SHOULD HAVE

1:03:02 THE ABILITY TO REJECT IT.

1:03:04 BUT IF A PROJECT MEETS

1:03:05 ENVIRONMENTAL STANDARDS AND

1:03:06 BENEFITS OUR COMMUNITY AND

1:03:08 CREATES GOOD UNION JOBS, IT

1:03:10 DESERVES A FAIR OPPORTUNITY AND

1:03:12 SHOULD BE CONSIDERED.

1:03:13 I'M ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT

1:03:15 DISCOURAGING PRIVATE INVESTMENT

1:03:16 AT A TIME WHEN WE NEED TO

1:03:18 CONTINUE CREATING JOB

1:03:20 OPPORTUNITIES FOR BOSTON

1:03:21 RESIDENTS.

1:03:21 WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR A FREE

1:03:22 PASS ON DEVELOPERS.

1:03:24 WE'RE ASKING FOR A FAIR PROCESS

1:03:25 THAT PROTECTS OUR NEIGHBORHOODS

1:03:27 WITHOUT UNNECESSARILY LIMITING

1:03:30 OPPORTUNITIES FOR WORKING

1:03:31 FAMILIES.

1:03:32 WE NEED PLANS, NOT BANDS.

1:03:34 AND I APPRECIATE, UH, YOU

1:03:36 MAKING SURE WE'RE PART OF THIS

1:03:37 CONVERSATION AND I HOPE SOME

1:03:39 OF THESE POINTS CAN BE

1:03:40 INCORPORATED IN THE TESTIMONY.

1:03:42 THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE

1:03:43 OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.

1:03:44 THANK YOU SO MUCH, DANIEL.

1:03:45 AND UM, THANK YOU FOR SPENDING

1:03:47 TIME WITH US HERE TODAY.

1:03:49 SO WE HAVE A SECOND PANEL UM,

1:03:51 WHICH I KNOW IS A IS A GREAT

1:03:53 MIX OF FOLKS AND PERSPECTIVES.

1:03:56 UM.

1:03:57 SO UH.

1:03:58 IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO.

1:03:59 GO DOWN THE LINE I KNOW YOU'VE

1:04:01 EACH I THINK MOST OF YOU HAVE

1:04:02 PREPARED A MINUTE TO JUST

1:04:04 INTRODUCE YOURSELVES.

1:04:05 UM AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO HEAR

1:04:06 FROM MY COLLEAGUES AND THEY

1:04:08 WILL ASK QUESTIONS AND IF YOU

1:04:10 FEEL LIKE THEY PERTAIN TO YOU,

1:04:11 FEEL FREE TO JUMP IN WITH AN

1:04:12 ANSWER.

1:04:13 UM, THAT'S KIND OF HOW IT

1:04:14 WORKS.

1:04:15 SOMETIMES MY COLLEAGUES MIGHT

1:04:16 DIRECT A SPECIFIC QUESTION TO

1:04:17 YOU.

1:04:18 UM, AND THEN OBVIOUSLY THAT

1:04:19 QUESTION IS FOR YOU.

1:04:20 UM, BUT FEEL FREE.

1:04:22 UM, YOU KNOW, THIS IS I KNOW

1:04:24 FOR MANY OF YOU YOU KNOW,

1:04:26 YOU'VE DONE THIS BEFORE AND

1:04:27 SOME OF YOU IT'S YOUR FIRST

1:04:28 TIME.

1:04:29 SO IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS

1:04:30 FEEL FREE TO ASK.

1:04:31 UM AND THEN I'M GOING TO I'M

1:04:33 NOT GOING TO I'M GOING TO DO A

1:04:35 UM TIMER ON HERE BUT IT'S NOT

1:04:36 GOING TO BEEP.

1:04:37 SO JUST NOTICE WHEN I HIT ZERO.

1:04:39 OKAY.

1:04:39 GO AHEAD.

1:04:41 GOOD AFTERNOON COUNCILORS MY

1:04:43 NAME IS MARY ONE BOYD AND I'M A

1:04:45 LAW RESIDENT AND A MEMBER

1:04:47 OF HONEST FUTURE FOR LAW, WHICH

1:04:49 IS A GRASSROOT LED EFFORT.

1:04:51 FORMED TO PUSH BACK.

1:04:53 AGAINST HARMFUL DATA CENTER

1:04:55 EXPANSION IN SOUTH LAWN.

1:04:57 WE ARE WE ARE NOT UNTIED DATA

1:05:00 CENTERS.

1:05:00 WE ARE FOR GROWTH AND

1:05:02 DEVELOPMENT THAT KEEPS

1:05:05 MUNICIPAL BUDGETS.

1:05:06 STRONG AND PROTECTS RESIDENTS.

1:05:09 UH, DATA CENTER IN LAW IS 50MW

1:05:12 ENOUGH ELECTRICITY TO POWER AT

1:05:14 LEAST 30,000 HOMES.

1:05:17 UM, RESIDENTS HAVE EXPERIENCED

1:05:20 A LOT OF NOISE.

1:05:21 UH, CHRONIC.

1:05:22 STREET FLOODING.

1:05:24 AND DESPITE THE DATA CENTER

1:05:26 RECEIVING $77 MILLION IN, UH,

1:05:30 TAX INCENTIVES, THE FACILITY

1:05:32 THAT HAS BEEN THERE FOR TEN

1:05:34 YEARS PROVIDES FEWER THAN 40

1:05:36 JOBS.

1:05:37 SO I WANT TO COMMEND BOSTON.

1:05:39 FOR HAVING THIS CITY, UH,

1:05:43 BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT

1:05:45 MUNICIPALITIES ARE THE ONES

1:05:46 THAT ARE GOING TO.

1:05:47 ACT ON BEHALF OF THEIR

1:05:49 RESIDENTS.

1:05:51 THANK YOU.

1:05:55 THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR AND

1:05:57 COUNCILOR CULPEPER

1:05:57 COUNCILOR FOR ALL MEMBERS

1:05:58 OF THE COMMITTEE.

1:05:59 UH, MY NAME IS ON FAROOQUI.

1:06:00 I'M EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE

1:06:01 BOSTON CLIMATE ACTION NETWORK

1:06:02 AND I ALSO SERVE ON THE CITY

1:06:04 OF BOSTON REVIEW BOARD UM,

1:06:06 OVERSEEING GREENHOUSE GAS

1:06:07 EMISSIONS FROM OUR LARGE

1:06:08 BUILDINGS.

1:06:08 AND I LOOK FORWARD TO THE

1:06:10 CONVERSATION TODAY.

1:06:10 OBVIOUSLY NO ONE WANTS TO SEE

1:06:12 SOME OF THE, UH, SIDE EFFECTS

1:06:14 THAT WE'VE SEEN ACROSS THE

1:06:15 COUNTRY IN TERMS OF HIGHER

1:06:16 ENERGY COSTS AND AIR POLLUTION

1:06:18 AND WATER DEPLETION.

1:06:19 UM, AND SO WE NEED TO HAVE A

1:06:21 BALANCED AND STRATEGIC AND

1:06:22 PROACTIVE APPROACH HERE IN THE

1:06:24 CITY, UM, THAT PROTECTS OUR

1:06:26 RESIDENTS FROM THOSE EFFECTS

1:06:27 AND ALSO PROTECTS OUR WORKERS

1:06:29 AND PARTICULARLY MAKE SURE THAT

1:06:30 CONSTRUCTION JOBS OR HIGH ROAD

1:06:32 UNION JOBS.

1:06:33 UM.

1:06:34 AND SO I LOOK FORWARD TO THE

1:06:36 CONVERSATION AND TO YOUR

1:06:37 QUESTIONS.

1:06:37 THANK YOU.

1:06:38 THANK YOU JUSTIN.

1:06:40 GOOD AFTERNOON COUNCIL.

1:06:41 THANK YOU FOR THE HEARING.

1:06:43 MY NAME IS TRISTAN THOMAS.

1:06:44 I'M DIRECTOR OF POLICY AND LAW

1:06:45 FOR ACE ALTERNATIVES FOR

1:06:47 COMMUNITY AND ENVIRONMENT

1:06:49 ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE NONPROFIT

1:06:50 THAT'S BEEN WORKING ON THE

1:06:51 ISSUE OF DATA CENTERS FOR OVER

1:06:52 TWO YEARS NOW.

1:06:53 WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO CONNECT

1:06:55 LEGAL POLICY AND ORGANIZING

1:06:57 RESOURCES TO COMMUNITIES IN

1:06:58 LOWELL, WESTFIELD AS WELL AS

1:07:00 NATIONWIDE WERE PART

1:07:01 OF NATIONWIDE PLATFORMS AND IN

1:07:03 DOING THIS WORK AND ENGAGING

1:07:04 WITH DOZENS AND DOZENS

1:07:05 COMMUNITIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY

1:07:06 .

1:07:07 ONE THING IS COMMON DATA

1:07:09 CENTERS ARE A THREAT AND RISK

1:07:11 TO COMMUNITIES.

1:07:11 THEY EXTRACT OUR RESOURCES,

1:07:12 THEY IMPOSE PUBLIC HEALTH

1:07:14 HARMS.

1:07:14 THEY THREATEN OUR GRID

1:07:16 RELIABILITY, CONTRIBUTE TO

1:07:17 BLACKOUTS AND ALL IN EXCHANGE

1:07:19 FOR PROMISES OF ECONOMIC

1:07:21 DEVELOPMENT, INNOVATION AND IN

1:07:23 JOBS.

1:07:23 AND I ENCOURAGE FOLKS TO CHECK

1:07:24 OUT GREAT RESEARCH BY

1:07:26 ORGANIZATIONS LIKE GOOD JOBS

1:07:27 FIRST, WHICH LOOKS INTO TAX

1:07:29 INCENTIVES AND JOB CREATION AND

1:07:30 SHOWS TO MARY'S POINT THAT VERY

1:07:32 LITTLE JOBS ARE CREATED.

1:07:34 SO ON THIS QUESTION

1:07:35 OF PROHIBITION VERSUS

1:07:36 MORATORIUM VERSUS REGULATION,

1:07:38 WE NEED SOME LEVEL

1:07:40 OF PROTECTIONS AND UNTIL THOSE

1:07:41 ARE ESTABLISHED NO DATA CENTERS

1:07:42 SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO BE BUILT

1:07:44 OR EXPANDED.

1:07:45 AND I'M HAPPY TO ENGAGE ON A

1:07:46 CONVERSATION AROUND WHAT THE

1:07:47 RIGHT THRESHOLDS ARE.

1:07:49 THE STATE THRESHOLDS ARE WAY

1:07:50 TOO HIGH.

1:07:50 I THINK TEN MEGAWATTS IS

1:07:52 PROBABLY MORE APPROPRIATE BUT

1:07:53 ALSO BEYOND SPECIFIC THRESHOLDS

1:07:55 AROUND ELECTRICITY, WATER,

1:07:58 NOISE, LAND USE WE ALSO NEED A

1:08:00 CUMULATIVE IMPACT ANALYSIS AND

1:08:02 AN AFFIRMATIVE PERMIT FROM AN

1:08:04 ENVIRONMENTAL DEPARTMENT THAT

1:08:05 THERE IS NO ENVIRONMENTAL HARM

1:08:07 .

1:08:07 AND SO THINKING ABOUT THOSE

1:08:08 QUANTITATIVE UH THRESHOLDS BUT

1:08:10 ALSO QUALITATIVE AND.

1:08:12 CUMULATIVE IMPACT ANALYZES.

1:08:13 THANK YOU.

1:08:16 THANK YOU CHAIR AND

1:08:17 COUNCILORS FOR THE OPPORTUNITY

1:08:19 TO SPEAK TODAY.

1:08:20 I'M AISHA JOSH COHEN PROFESSOR

1:08:21 OF ELECTRICAL AND COMPUTER

1:08:22 ENGINEERING AT BOSTON

1:08:23 UNIVERSITY WHERE I WORKED FOR

1:08:25 17 YEARS AT THIS POINT AND I'M

1:08:27 ALSO CHIEF SCIENTIST AT EMERALD

1:08:29 AI, A STARTUP COMPANY.

1:08:30 I WAS A BOSTON RESIDENT FOR

1:08:32 MOST OF THOSE YEARS AS WELL.

1:08:33 SO BOSTON HAS BEEN AN IMPORTANT

1:08:34 PART OF MY LIFE AND I CARE

1:08:36 DEEPLY ABOUT OUR COMMUNITY AND

1:08:37 ITS CONCERNS.

1:08:38 I'M HERE TO OFFER MY

1:08:39 PERSPECTIVE AS A TECHNICAL

1:08:41 EXPERT.

1:08:41 THE CONCERNS ABOUT DATA CENTERS

1:08:43 ARE REAL AND IMPORTANT AND WE

1:08:45 MUST TAKE THEM SERIOUSLY.

1:08:46 AS A COMPUTER ENGINEER, I'VE

1:08:47 SPENT MY CAREER RESEARCHING

1:08:49 ENERGY EFFICIENCY IN OTHER

1:08:51 WORDS HOW TO ACCOMPLISH MORE

1:08:52 COMPUTING USING FEWER RESOURCES

1:08:54 .

1:08:54 MUCH OF MY WORK HAS FOCUSED ON

1:08:56 DATA CENTERS HOW THEY CAN USE

1:08:57 ELECTRICITY MORE RESPONSIBLY.

1:08:59 AND NOW I CONTINUE TO WORK AT A

1:09:00 STARTUP TRANSLATING SOME

1:09:01 OF THESE TECHNOLOGIES INTO

1:09:03 PRACTICE SO DATA CENTERS CAN

1:09:04 BECOME GOOD CITIZENS OF THE

1:09:06 POWER GRID AND THEIR

1:09:07 COMMUNITIES.

1:09:08 I BELIEVE WE CAN ADDRESS MANY

1:09:09 OF THESE CONCERNS RAISED TODAY

1:09:11 THROUGH A FRAMEWORK THAT

1:09:12 REQUIRES DATA CENTERS TO

1:09:13 OPERATE RESPONSIBLY WHILE

1:09:15 RESPECTING THE NEEDS AND

1:09:16 LIMITATIONS OF OUR ELECTRICITY

1:09:17 GRID COMMUNITIES AND THE

1:09:19 ENVIRONMENT.

1:09:20 MY EXPERTISE IS IN THE

1:09:21 ELECTRICITY CONSUMPTION OF DATA

1:09:22 CENTERS, SO I WILL TALK ABOUT

1:09:24 THAT BRIEFLY AS AN EXAMPLE.

1:09:25 BUT SIMILAR FRAMEWORKS CAN

1:09:27 ADDRESS OTHER IMPACTS SUCH AS

1:09:28 WATER USE, LAND USE, POLLUTION

1:09:30 AND NOISE.

1:09:32 SPECIFICALLY MY WORK FOCUSES ON

1:09:34 POWER FLEXIBILITY ALSO CALLED

1:09:36 GRID RESPONSIVE COMPUTING.

1:09:37 FOR EXAMPLE, DURING AN EXTREME

1:09:40 WEATHER EVENTS WHEN RESIDENTIAL

1:09:41 ELECTRICITY DEMAND INCREASES

1:09:42 SHARPLY, DATA CENTERS CAN

1:09:45 TEMPORARILY REDUCE THEIR POWER

1:09:46 CONSUMPTION BY ADJUSTING THEIR

1:09:48 COMPUTING WORKLOADS WHILE

1:09:49 PROTECTING THEIR CRITICAL

1:09:50 SERVICES AT THE SAME TIME.

1:09:52 THIS HELPS RELIEVE PRESSURE ON

1:09:53 THE POWER GRID WHEN COMMUNITIES

1:09:55 NEED ELECTRICITY THE MOST.

1:09:57 THIS FLEXIBILITY APPROACH

1:09:58 OFFERS THREE IMPORTANT BENEFITS

1:10:00 GREATER GRID RESILIENCE,

1:10:02 GREATER AFFORDABILITY AND MORE

1:10:04 SUSTAINABLE ENERGY USE ACROSS

1:10:06 THE UNITED STATES AND

1:10:08 INTERNATIONALLY.

1:10:08 UTILITIES AND REGULATORS ARE

1:10:09 NOW EXPLORING POWER FLEXIBILITY

1:10:11 REQUIREMENTS, PARTICULARLY FOR

1:10:13 LARGE DATA CENTERS BUT MORE

1:10:15 BROADLY SO.

1:10:16 THIS PROVIDES AN EXAMPLE OF A

1:10:19 FRAMEWORK AND POLICY DESIGNED

1:10:20 TO ACCOMMODATE AFFORDABLE,

1:10:22 EFFICIENT DATA CENTER GROWTH.

1:10:24 IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO

1:10:25 RECOGNIZE THAT LOCAL COMPUTING

1:10:27 INFRASTRUCTURE IS ESSENTIAL TO

1:10:29 OUR UNIVERSITIES, HOSPITALS,

1:10:30 SCIENTIFIC RESEARCH, EDUCATION

1:10:31 AND DAILY LIVES.

1:10:32 MANY INSTITUTIONS ALREADY FACE

1:10:35 CONSTRAINTS IN ACCESSING THE

1:10:36 ADDITIONAL ELECTRICITY CAPACITY

1:10:37 NEEDED TO EXPAND THEIR

1:10:39 COMPUTING INFRASTRUCTURE.

1:10:40 THEREFORE, WE NEED POLICIES

1:10:42 THAT RECOGNIZE THE DIFFERENT

1:10:43 TYPES OF DATA CENTERS AND THEIR

1:10:45 IMPACTS AND ESTABLISH CLEAR

1:10:47 PRACTICAL STANDARDS FOR

1:10:48 RESPONSIBLE OPERATION.

1:10:49 BOSTON AND MASSACHUSETTS AS

1:10:51 LEADERS IN INNOVATION HAVE AN

1:10:53 OPPORTUNITY HERE TO PIONEER A

1:10:55 THOUGHTFUL FRAMEWORK THAT

1:10:57 PROTECTS OUR COMMUNITIES AND

1:10:58 ENVIRONMENT WHILE ENABLING THE

1:11:00 BENEFITS OF COMPUTING AND AI

1:11:02 AND TO SERVE AS A MODEL FOR

1:11:04 OTHER CITIES AND STATES.

1:11:05 THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND

1:11:07 CONCENTRATION.

1:11:07 THANK YOU PROFESSOR.

1:11:13 GOOD AFTERNOON, MADAM CHAIR.

1:11:15 COUNSELOR CULPEPER AND MEMBERS

1:11:16 OF THE COUNCIL.

1:11:17 MY NAME IS MICHELLE BROOKS.

1:11:18 I'M A SENIOR ORGANIZER WITH THE

1:11:21 MASSACHUSETTS CHAPTER OF SIERRA

1:11:22 CLUB.

1:11:24 WE WANT TO THANK YOU FOR

1:11:25 HOLDING THIS IMPORTANT HEARING

1:11:26 TODAY.

1:11:27 THE SIERRA CLUB IS COMMITTED TO

1:11:30 AND SUPPORTING THE AGENCY AND

1:11:32 AUTONOMY OF COMMUNITIES TO

1:11:33 DETERMINE WHAT IS BEST FOR

1:11:34 THEMSELVES, INCLUDING ANALYZING

1:11:36 THE COLLECTIVE GOOD AND HARM

1:11:38 OF ANY INDIVIDUAL PROJECT.

1:11:40 CRITICAL TO THIS IS DEVELOPING

1:11:42 A SHARED LANGUAGE AND CLEAR

1:11:44 NON-BIASED INFORMATION.

1:11:46 WE MUST ALSO ANALYZE THE COST

1:11:48 OF ANY DECISION.

1:11:50 IN RECENT YEARS WE HAVE FOUND

1:11:51 OURSELVES IN A SITUATION WHERE

1:11:53 THE GROWTH AND DEMANDS OF AI

1:11:55 AND DATA INFRASTRUCTURE ARE

1:11:57 OUTPACING OUR MUNICIPAL

1:11:58 LANGUAGE AND THE.

1:11:59 LAWS MEANT TO.

1:12:00 PROTECT US.

1:12:01 DATA CENTERS POWER THE COMPUTE

1:12:03 OF REAL TECHNOLOGICAL ADVANCES

1:12:05 THAT HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO

1:12:07 SOLVE CLIMATE AND ENVIRONMENTAL

1:12:08 CHALLENGES SUCH AS IDENTIFYING

1:12:10 AND REMOVING FOREVER CHEMICALS

1:12:12 IN OUR DRINKING WATER AND

1:12:14 DEVELOPING SCALABLE,

1:12:16 SUSTAINABLE BATTERY STORAGE

1:12:17 SOLUTIONS.

1:12:18 JUST AS A COUPLE OF EXAMPLES

1:12:20 AND THEY CAN DO SO WITHOUT

1:12:22 MINIMAL WITH MINIMAL IMPACT

1:12:24 EXCUSE ME TO THE COMMUNITIES

1:12:25 AND ENVIRONMENTS THAT HOST

1:12:27 THEM.

1:12:28 IF THESE BREAKTHROUGHS ARE

1:12:29 POSSIBLE, SURELY THESE

1:12:31 DEVELOPERS CAN ALSO FIND A WAY.

1:12:32 FORWARD THAT DOES NOT POLLUTE.

1:12:34 OUR COMMUNITIES.

1:12:35 AND TO FIND A WAY THAT DOES NOT

1:12:37 REQUIRE THE EXPANSION

1:12:38 OF FRACKED GAS PIPELINES TO

1:12:40 POWER.

1:12:40 THAT MASSIVE COMPUTE.

1:12:42 JUST AS TECHNOLOGY HAS OUTPACED

1:12:44 OUR MUNICIPAL PROTECTIONS, IT

1:12:46 CAN JUST AS QUICKLY DEVELOP THE

1:12:49 TECHNOLOGY THAT WOULD MAKE THEM

1:12:50 PART OF THE SOLUTION AND WE

1:12:51 MUST DEMAND BETTER.

1:12:54 WE CAUTION THAT A BAN MAY HAVE

1:12:56 AN ADVERSE IMPACT AND RATHER

1:12:57 THAN INCENTIVIZE THE

1:12:59 DEVELOPMENT OF SOLUTIONS.

1:13:01 SHIFT DEVELOPMENT TO

1:13:02 COMMUNITIES WITH LESS CAPACITY

1:13:04 TO.

1:13:04 FIGHT EXTRACTIVE AND POLLUTING

1:13:07 DEVELOPMENT.

1:13:08 SO WE RECOMMEND THE FOLLOWING

1:13:10 FOR ANY NEW DATA CENTER

1:13:11 PROJECTS 24 OVER SEVEN

1:13:14 CARBON FREE.

1:13:14 ENERGY NO DIESEL OR GAS

1:13:17 GENERATORS.

1:13:17 CLEAN ENERGY INVESTMENT AND

1:13:19 CAPACITY PROCUREMENT FREE OR

1:13:22 OPEN AIR COOLING.

1:13:23 NON-POTABLE WATER SOURCES.

1:13:26 TRANSPARENCY AND ACCOUNTABILITY

1:13:28 MEASURES INCLUDING WATER AND

1:13:29 ENERGY USAGE AVAILABLE PUBLICLY

1:13:32 AND REPORTED REGULARLY.

1:13:34 DATA CENTER DEVELOPERS MUST PAY

1:13:36 THEIR OWN WAY.

1:13:37 STRICTLY DEFINING SCRIPT

1:13:39 STRICTLY DEFINED ZONING THAT

1:13:40 PROTECTS PEOPLE AND THE

1:13:42 ENVIRONMENT.

1:13:42 COMMUNITY BENEFITS AND PROJECT

1:13:45 LABOR AGREEMENTS ARE

1:13:46 NON-NEGOTIABLE.

1:13:47 BOSTON IS A LEADER AND THIS IS

1:13:49 AN OPPORTUNITY AND THIS HEARING

1:13:51 CAN BE THE BEGINNING OF A

1:13:53 CONVERSATION THAT CAN LEAD TO A

1:13:55 MODEL THAT SCALES ACROSS THE.

1:13:56 COMMONWEALTH AND.

1:13:57 PROTECTS OUR COMMUNITIES.

1:13:58 THANK YOU.

1:13:59 THANK YOU TRISH.

1:14:02 SORRY.

1:14:03 GOOD AFTERNOON.

1:14:04 GOOD TO SEE YOU.

1:14:04 YOU TOO.

1:14:05 GOOD AFTERNOON MADAM CHAIR AND

1:14:09 COUNCILOR CULPEPER AND MEMBERS

1:14:10 OF THE CITY COUNCIL.

1:14:12 MY NAME IS TISH MCMULLEN.

1:14:13 I'M THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR

1:14:16 OF THE CONFERENCE OF BOSTON

1:14:18 TEACHING HOSPITALS.

1:14:20 ON BEHALF OF OUR 12 MEMBER

1:14:22 HOSPITALS, WE APPRECIATE THE

1:14:23 OPPORTUNITY TO COMMENT ON

1:14:25 DOCKET 718 1718.

1:14:29 WE RECOGNIZE AND APPRECIATE,

1:14:31 UH, THE CITY OF BOSTON AND THE

1:14:33 COMMONWEALTH'S INTEREST IN

1:14:35 LARGE SCALE COMMERCIAL DATA

1:14:38 CENTERED DEVELOPMENT IN LIGHT

1:14:39 OF THE POTENTIAL FOR

1:14:41 SIGNIFICANT IMPACTS ALREADY

1:14:43 MENTIONED TODAY.

1:14:45 WHILE WE TRULY APPRECIATE THE

1:14:47 CLEAR EXEMPTION FOR RESEARCH

1:14:50 LABORATORIES AND EDUCATIONAL

1:14:52 FACILITIES INCLUDED IN DOCKET

1:14:55 1718, IT IS CRITICAL.

1:14:57 TO OUR NONPROFIT HOSPITALS THAT

1:15:00 ESSENTIAL INFRASTRUCTURE THAT

1:15:03 SUPPORTS OUR HEALTHCARE

1:15:05 INSTITUTIONS IS ALSO EXCLUDED

1:15:07 FROM THE PROPOSED BAN.

1:15:09 THIS IS PARTICULARLY.

1:15:10 IMPORTANT FOR OUR ACADEMIC

1:15:12 MEDICAL CENTERS AND THE

1:15:14 PATIENTS AND FAMILIES WE SERVE

1:15:16 EVERY DAY IN ORDER TO PROTECT

1:15:18 THE TECHNOLOGY INFRASTRUCTURE

1:15:21 WE RELY ON TO FULFILL OUR

1:15:23 MISSIONS.

1:15:25 AS YOU KNOW, THE CITY OF BOSTON

1:15:28 IS RECOGNIZED AROUND THE WORLD

1:15:30 AS A CENTER OF EXCELLENCE IN

1:15:32 PATIENT CARE, IN HEALTH CARE

1:15:33 DELIVERY, MEDICAL EDUCATION,

1:15:37 BIOMEDICAL INNOVATION AND

1:15:38 CLINICAL RESEARCH.

1:15:39 THESE ACTIVITIES INCREASINGLY

1:15:43 DEPEND ON SECURE, RELIABLE AND

1:15:47 RESILIENT COMPUTING AND

1:15:49 TELECOMMUNICATIONS

1:15:50 INFRASTRUCTURE TO SUPPORT A

1:15:52 WIDE RANGE OF ACTIVITIES AND

1:15:54 FUNCTIONS INCLUDING ELECTRONIC

1:15:57 HEALTH RECORDS, DEI DIAGNOSTIC

1:16:00 IMAGING LABORATORY AND

1:16:02 PATHOLOGY SYSTEMS, CLINICAL

1:16:05 DECISION SUPPORT, CYBERSECURITY

1:16:09 ,HOSPITAL OPERATIONS AND THE

1:16:11 SECURE EXCHANGE OF PATIENT

1:16:13 INFORMATION.

1:16:15 OUR WORLD.

1:16:16 RENOWNED RESEARCH COMMUNITY

1:16:17 ALSO RELIES ON ADVANCED

1:16:20 COMPUTING TO ANALYZE LARGE DATA

1:16:23 SETS, SUPPORT BIOMEDICAL AND

1:16:26 GENOMIC RESEARCH, DEVELOP NEW

1:16:29 TREATMENTS AND CURES AND

1:16:31 ACCELERATE SCIENTIFIC DISCOVERY

1:16:34 FOR OUR PATIENTS AND THEIR

1:16:35 FAMILIES.

1:16:36 THESE BREAKTHROUGHS AND CURES

1:16:38 CANNOT COME SOON ENOUGH, AND IT

1:16:41 IS CRITICAL THAT OUR HOSPITALS

1:16:42 ARE ABLE TO MAINTAIN, EXPAND

1:16:46 AND MODERNIZE THE TECHNOLOGY

1:16:49 INFRASTRUCTURE WE NEED UM TO

1:16:52 FULFILL OUR PATIENT CARE

1:16:54 RESEARCH AND MEDICAL EDUCATION

1:16:56 MISSION.

1:16:57 IN LIGHT OF OUR SHARED INTEREST

1:17:00 IN ADVANCING PATIENT CARE AND

1:17:02 PURSUING MEDICAL BREAKTHROUGHS,

1:17:04 WE RESPECTFULLY RECOMMEND THAT

1:17:06 THE PROPOSED PROHIBITION

1:17:09 EXPLICITLY EXCLUDE FROM ITS

1:17:11 SCOPE THE DATA CENTERS AND

1:17:14 INFRASTRUCTURE THAT SUPPORTS

1:17:15 OUR HEALTHCARE INSTITUTIONS

1:17:17 BOTH TODAY AND INTO THE FUTURE.

1:17:20 THIS APPROACH WOULD ALLOW THE

1:17:22 CITY TO PURSUE ITS POLICY GOALS

1:17:25 REGARDING LARGE SCALE

1:17:26 COMMERCIAL DATA CENTER

1:17:28 DEVELOPMENT WITHOUT

1:17:30 INADVERTENTLY RESTRICTING THE

1:17:32 INFRASTRUCTURE UPON WHICH

1:17:34 HEALTHCARE DELIVERY, BIOMEDICAL

1:17:36 RESEARCH, MEDICAL EDUCATION AND

1:17:39 PATIENT ACCESS AND SAFETY

1:17:41 INCREASINGLY DEPEND.

1:17:42 WELCOME THE OPPORTUNITY TO

1:17:44 DISCUSS THIS WITH YOU IN

1:17:46 FURTHER DETAIL.

1:17:48 UM I ALSO WANTED TO MENTION

1:17:50 GIVEN HOW MUCH CONVERSATION

1:17:52 THERE HAS BEEN ABOUT THE

1:17:53 GOVERNOR'S UH, EXECUTIVE ORDER

1:17:55 THAT THAT ORDER, UH, REQUIRES

1:17:58 HER ADMINISTRATION TO KEY

1:18:01 CABINET AGENCIES, UH, TO

1:18:04 PUBLISH MUNICIPAL GUIDANCE UH,

1:18:06 BY THE END OF THE YEAR AFTER

1:18:09 CONSULTING WITH A VERY WIDE

1:18:11 RANGE OF STAKEHOLDERS THAT ARE

1:18:13 LISTED, UH, IN THE EXECUTIVE

1:18:15 ORDER.

1:18:16 UM, AND I THINK IT'S

1:18:18 INSTRUCTIVE, UM, FOR ALL OF US

1:18:20 HERE TODAY.

1:18:21 THANK YOU.

1:18:22 THANK YOU SO MUCH.

1:18:23 UM, TISH.

1:18:24 UM, SO, UM, I'M GOING TO MOVE

1:18:27 TO MY COLLEAGUES FOR QUESTIONS.

1:18:28 UM, STARTING WITH THE LEAD

1:18:30 SPONSOR COUNCILOR CULPEPER.

1:18:32 YOU HAVE FIVE MINUTES.

1:18:34 THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.

1:18:35 DOCTOR COSTIN, YOU'VE MENTIONED

1:18:37 THAT YOU'D LIKE TO SEE A

1:18:39 THOUGHTFUL FRAMEWORK THAT

1:18:41 PROTECTS OUR COMMUNITIES.

1:18:43 HAVE YOU THOUGHT ABOUT WHAT

1:18:44 THAT FRAMEWORK WOULD LOOK LIKE?

1:18:47 YES.

1:18:47 SO I'LL, UH, SPEAK TOWARDS

1:18:49 POWER BUT THEN GENERALIZE FROM

1:18:51 THERE.

1:18:52 UH, WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND

1:18:54 STARTING WITH A FEW.

1:18:56 UM FEW FEW UM THREADS.

1:18:59 ONE IS DOING GRID IMPACT

1:19:01 ASSESSMENTS UNDERSTANDING POWER

1:19:03 AVAILABILITY.

1:19:04 THE SECOND IS LOOKING INTO

1:19:06 ENERGY EFFICIENCY AND POWER

1:19:08 FLEXIBILITY STANDARDS TO ENSURE

1:19:11 RESPONSIBLE OPERATION LIKE I

1:19:12 WAS MENTIONING.

1:19:14 UM ENERGY EFFICIENCY IS GREAT

1:19:15 BUT POWER FLEXIBILITY BRINGS.

1:19:18 UM AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE DATA

1:19:19 CENTER TO SUPPORT THE GRID

1:19:20 BECOME AN ASSET TO THE GRID.

1:19:22 AND THE THIRD THING WOULD BE

1:19:24 MEASUREMENT AND VERIFICATION

1:19:26 REQUIREMENTS, UH, TO UH

1:19:29 QUANTIFY THE IMPACT ON POWER

1:19:31 AND YOU CAN EXPAND THIS TO

1:19:32 OTHER AREAS LIKE WATER

1:19:34 POLLUTION OTHER IMPACTS AND TO

1:19:36 MAKE SURE DATA CENTERS

1:19:37 EVENTUALLY WHEN THERE'S A

1:19:39 REGULATORY FRAMEWORK THEY MEET

1:19:40 THE REQUIREMENTS.

1:19:41 SO THESE ARE THREE STARTING

1:19:43 POINTS.

1:19:44 UH OF COURSE YOU KNOW THIS

1:19:45 WOULD REQUIRE A BROADER

1:19:46 DISCUSSION UH WITH VARIOUS

1:19:48 STAKEHOLDERS.

1:19:49 IT WOULD ALSO REQUIRE

1:19:50 COOPERATION UH WITH UTILITIES

1:19:52 AND OTHER REGULATORY BODIES FOR

1:19:54 ELECTRICITY.

1:19:54 DO YOU HAVE THOSE THREE UH,

1:19:58 RECOMMENDATIONS IN WRITING?

1:19:59 YES.

1:19:59 I CONSENT.

1:20:00 YOU PROVIDED YES TO US THROUGH

1:20:02 THE CHAIR.

1:20:03 YES OF COURSE.

1:20:04 THANK YOU.

1:20:05 TRISTAN HAD A COUPLE

1:20:05 OF QUESTIONS FOR YOU.

1:20:06 OH, SORRY.

1:20:07 I'LL JUST SAY THAT THE FOLKS

1:20:08 THAT ARE ON THE PANEL DON'T

1:20:09 WORK FOR THE CITY IF THERE'S A

1:20:10 THERE'S NO REQUIREMENT FOR THEM

1:20:11 TO DO ANYTHING ELSE.

1:20:12 NO NO NO I KNOW ABSOLUTELY I

1:20:14 WILL ASK BUT I'M JUST SAYING

1:20:15 FOR YOU FOR ALL OF YOUR

1:20:16 KNOWLEDGE YOU DON'T YOU'RE NOT

1:20:17 REQUIRED TO KNOW.

1:20:18 HAPPY TO HAVE IT.

1:20:20 YEAH THANK YOU.

1:20:20 YOU'RE NOT REQUIRED BUT WE'D

1:20:22 LOVE YOU TO HELP US PUT THE

1:20:24 FRAMEWORK AND THE POLICY

1:20:26 TOGETHER AS WE WORK WITH GEOFF

1:20:28 AND THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.

1:20:29 I MEAN, ANY HELP AND

1:20:31 INFORMATION WE CAN GET IS

1:20:33 HELPFUL BECAUSE THEY'RE REALLY

1:20:35 STARTING WITH LITTLE OR NO

1:20:37 INFORMATION.

1:20:37 AND SO THIS HEARING IS REALLY

1:20:41 INTENDED TO GIVE US AS MUCH

1:20:43 INFORMATION AND ASSISTANCE IN

1:20:45 COULDN'T GET A POLICY THAT

1:20:47 MAKES SENSE AND UH, WE'D LOVE

1:20:50 TO HAVE THE RIGHT ABSOLUTELY TO

1:20:51 HAVE IN WRITING.

1:20:52 SO I WANTED TO TALK A LITTLE

1:20:54 BIT ABOUT UM.

1:20:57 ONE OF.

1:20:58 ONE OF THE PANELISTS MARY

1:21:00 WANTED TO SAY SOMETHING.

1:21:01 OH, SURE.

1:21:02 MARY.

1:21:03 UH, I LIKE YOUR QUESTION ABOUT

1:21:06 ,UH, REGULATIONS, BUT I'D LIKE

1:21:08 TO SAY SOMETHING ABOUT LAW.

1:21:09 I'D LIKE TO SAY THAT WE IN LAW

1:21:12 KNOW THAT, UH, IN.

1:21:15 2024 MASSACHUSETTS HAD

1:21:17 REGULATIONS IN THE BOOKS THAT

1:21:19 WOULD HAVE PROTECTED US FROM

1:21:22 FOR THE EXPANSION OF THE

1:21:24 MONTHLY DATA CENTER.

1:21:26 AND MY POINT IS HAVING

1:21:29 REGULATIONS IS NOT EVEN ENOUGH.

1:21:31 THERE NEEDS TO BE MORE.

1:21:34 SO AND SO MARY, YOU TELL.

1:21:35 ME YOU WANT TO WORK WITH US

1:21:37 ON HELPING US PUT THIS TOGETHER

1:21:38 BASED ON YOUR EXPERIENCE.

1:21:40 WE'D LOVE TO HAVE YOU.

1:21:42 I WOULD, UH, BUT I REALLY WANT

1:21:45 TO EMPHASIZE THE NEED.

1:21:46 FOR MUNICIPAL.

1:21:47 FOR A CITY TO BE THE LEADER IN

1:21:50 DATA CENTER REGULATION AND NOT

1:21:53 RELY ON THE STATE.

1:21:54 THAT'S WHAT WE KNOW.

1:21:55 OUR RESIDENTS HAVE HAD TO SUE

1:21:58 THE STATE BECAUSE THEY WERE NOT

1:22:01 ENGAGED IN, UH.

1:22:02 UH, COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT WAS

1:22:04 NOT DONE UH, PROPERLY.

1:22:07 SO I I'M JUST SAYING THE

1:22:09 REGULATIONS CAN COME BUT UH,

1:22:12 HOW ARE THEY ENFORCED?

1:22:13 SECONDLY, I WANT TO SAY

1:22:14 SOMETHING ABOUT THE WHAT UH, MY

1:22:17 OTHER PANELISTS HAVE SAID ABOUT

1:22:19 GRID IMPACTS.

1:22:20 IT'S IMPORTANT TO SITUATE THIS

1:22:23 .

1:22:23 CONVERSATION IN THE REALITIES.

1:22:27 OF MASSACHUSETTS, MASSACHUSETTS

1:22:29 .

1:22:29 AND I KNOW THIS BECAUSE I DO A

1:22:31 LOT OF ENERGY WORK.

1:22:33 IT MY OTHER LIFE HAS NOT

1:22:35 FIGURED OUT HOW.

1:22:37 TO PAY FOR ITS OWN.

1:22:39 ELECTRIC SECTOR MODERNIZATION

1:22:42 PLANS AND THOSE.

1:22:44 DO NOT INCLUDE.

1:22:44 DATA CENTERS.

1:22:46 SO WHILE I WELCOME.

1:22:47 THE IDEA THAT GRID IN PARTS

1:22:49 AND DATA CENTERS CAN DO THIS

1:22:51 AND THAT, I DON'T THINK ANYONE

1:22:53 SHOULD LEAVE.

1:22:54 THESE THINGS TO CHANCE.

1:22:56 THANK YOU, MAYOR AND UH, WE'LL

1:22:59 BE IN TOUCH.

1:22:59 WE'D LOVE TO WORK WITH YOU ON

1:23:01 THIS.

1:23:01 LET ME IN.

1:23:03 MY 30S AND A HALF LEFT REALLY?

1:23:06 AND TALK ABOUT HOW BOSTON A

1:23:09 HOUSE OF BOSTON DEFINED A DATA

1:23:11 CENTER TO ENSURE WE'RE

1:23:13 TARGETING THE FACILITIES WITH

1:23:14 SIGNIFICANT ENVIRONMENTAL

1:23:16 IMPACTS WITHOUT UNINTENTIONALLY

1:23:20 RESTRICTING SMALLER SERVERS OR

1:23:21 COMPUTER INFRASTRUCTURE.

1:23:23 UH, THERE'S MANY, MANY

1:23:25 DIFFERENT APPROACHES WE CAN

1:23:26 TAKE.

1:23:26 BUT ULTIMATELY WHAT WE'RE

1:23:27 TRYING TO PROTECT AGAINST IS

1:23:28 ENVIRONMENTAL AND PUBLIC HEALTH

1:23:30 IMPACTS AND SO EXPLICITLY

1:23:31 NAMING THAT AND THE THRESHOLD

1:23:33 BOTH THROUGH MEGAWATTS GALLONS

1:23:36 OF WATER, DECIBELS OF NOISE BUT

1:23:38 ALSO THE SORT OF QUALITATIVE

1:23:41 AFFIRMATION BY THE

1:23:41 ENVIRONMENTAL DEPARTMENT THAT

1:23:42 THEY'VE DONE A CUMULATIVE

1:23:44 IMPACT ANALYSIS NOT JUST

1:23:45 LOOKING AT THE DATA CENTER

1:23:47 INDIVIDUALLY BUT ALSO WHERE

1:23:48 IT'S SITED IN ALL THE OTHER

1:23:49 FACILITIES AND UH, POLLUTION

1:23:51 AND IMPACTS IN THE AREA.

1:23:52 WHAT WE'VE SEEN IN LOWELL IS

1:23:53 THAT THE DATA CENTER STARTED

1:23:54 OFF RELATIVELY SMALL.

1:23:56 YOU KNOW, A LITTLE BIT OVER TEN

1:23:58 MEGAWATTS HAS INCREMENTALLY

1:23:59 GROWN OVER THE YEARS AND IS NOW

1:24:01 APPROACHING 50MW ENOUGH TO

1:24:03 POWER POWER 30,000 HOMES.

1:24:05 SO WHILE WE MAY NOT HAVE A

1:24:07 HYPERSCALER PROPOSED IN BOSTON,

1:24:09 SOME OF THE SAME COMPANIES HAVE

1:24:11 DATA CENTERS IN BOSTON.

1:24:12 WE HAVE A SALES AND USE TAX

1:24:14 EXEMPTION AND THERE'S A BIG GAP

1:24:16 IN REGULATION AS THE STATE

1:24:17 WORKS TO FIGURE THINGS OUT.

1:24:19 SO I HOPE THAT ANSWERS YOUR.

1:24:20 QUESTION REAL QUICK.

1:24:21 AS WE LOOK.

1:24:22 AT NATIONAL TREND AND

1:24:23 CONSIDER REQUIRING AN

1:24:25 ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE IMPACT

1:24:27 ASSESSMENT OR CERTIFICATION

1:24:29 PROCESS BEFORE ALLOWING ANY

1:24:31 DATA CENTER DEVELOPMENT.

1:24:33 ABSOLUTELY.

1:24:34 UM THE CURRENT PROCESSES

1:24:35 AROUND ZONING WON'T ALLOW FOR

1:24:37 AN ADEQUATE CUMULATIVE IMPACT

1:24:39 REVIEW AROUND THESE FACILITIES.

1:24:40 THEY NEED THEIR OWN SPECIAL

1:24:42 PROCESS AND SPECIAL PERMIT

1:24:44 APPROVALS.

1:24:44 AND TRIPS.

1:24:45 AND YOU'RE WILLING TO WORK.

1:24:46 WITH US ON THIS?

1:24:47 ABSOLUTELY.

1:24:47 AND WE'VE HELPED PUT

1:24:48 TOGETHER NATIONAL POLICY

1:24:50 TOOLKITS AND CAN SHARE THAT

1:24:51 WITH THE FULL COUNCIL.

1:24:52 GREAT.

1:24:53 THANK YOU TO THE CHAIR.

1:24:54 TO THE CHAIR.

1:24:56 THANK YOU.

1:24:57 UM AND I YEAH I THINK IT'S UM

1:25:00 THIS WHOLE CONVERSATION IS SO

1:25:01 IMPORTANT BECAUSE UM WE'RE

1:25:03 WE'RE GETTING TO A LOT OF THE

1:25:05 MEAT OF IT VERY QUICKLY OF LIKE

1:25:07 WHERE SORT OF THE DIFFERENT

1:25:10 ISSUES MAY BE AND ALSO YOU KNOW

1:25:13 WHO'S INVOLVED.

1:25:13 I DID WANT TO JUST SAY THAT UM

1:25:15 ,I THINK IN MY I SAID THIS IN

1:25:18 MY OPENING STATEMENT BUT THERE

1:25:19 ARE I FEEL LIKE THERE ARE

1:25:21 APPROACHES THAT WE SHOULD

1:25:23 CONSIDER I THINK INCLUDING OUR

1:25:25 THRESHOLD BASED LOCAL

1:25:26 PERMITTING OPTION WHICH I

1:25:28 BELIEVE WOULD GIVE US ALL THE

1:25:30 FLEXIBILITY TO YOU KNOW, AND

1:25:33 HONESTLY IT COULD BE A

1:25:34 REGULATION THAT'S NOT YOU KNOW,

1:25:37 THAT WE REVIEW ANNUALLY SO IT'S

1:25:38 NOT NECESSARILY CODIFIED IN

1:25:40 TERMS OF I DON'T KNOW

1:25:43 PERSONALLY I MEAN THE MORE WE

1:25:44 TALK ABOUT THIS CONVERSATION I

1:25:45 DON'T KNOW IF IT'S JUST ZONING

1:25:46 THAT THAT IS A PART OF THIS.

1:25:48 I FEEL LIKE THE UM GIVEN THAT

1:25:50 THIS IS ALREADY A CONDITIONAL

1:25:51 USE MOST PLACES I FEEL LIKE THE

1:25:54 ARTICLE 80 REVIEW COULD INCLUDE

1:25:57 A LOT OF THESE THINGS.

1:25:58 UM, AND A LOT OF THESE UM,

1:26:00 BECAUSE I MEAN I KNOW FOR THE

1:26:02 AMOUNT FOR THE PROJECTS IN MY

1:26:03 DISTRICT WE'RE ALWAYS TALKING

1:26:04 ABOUT SPECIAL SHADOW REVIEWS

1:26:06 AND WE'RE ALWAYS TALKING ABOUT

1:26:08 THIS SEEMS LIKE EVEN MORE

1:26:09 IMPACTFUL ON THE ENVIRONMENT.

1:26:11 UM, IN A VERY, YOU KNOW,

1:26:13 MEASURED AND UM, POINTED WAY.

1:26:17 AND SO I THINK ANY ARTICLE 80

1:26:19 REVIEW SHOULD INCLUDE ANY

1:26:20 OF THESE UM, YOU KNOW AND AND

1:26:23 AND IT SOUNDS LIKE ANY LARGE

1:26:26 SCALE DATA CENTER WOULD BE

1:26:27 SUBJECT TO ARTICLE 80 REVIEW

1:26:28 WHICH MIGHT BE THE TEETH THAT

1:26:30 IS NEEDED.

1:26:32 UM, THAT BEING SAID, A LOT

1:26:33 OF THE COMPUTATIONAL CENTERS

1:26:35 THAT ALREADY EXIST IN THE CITY

1:26:36 AND HOSPITALS HAVE GONE THROUGH

1:26:38 THAT ARTICLE EIGHT REVIEW AS

1:26:40 PART OF THE PERMITTING OF A

1:26:41 HOSPITAL OR UH, YOU KNOW,

1:26:44 ACADEMIC UM, INSTITUTION.

1:26:45 SO I'LL UM I'LL GO TO THE

1:26:48 SECOND CO-SPONSOR, UM, BRIAN

1:26:50 WORRELL AND THEN WE'LL GO TO

1:26:52 COUNCILOR FLYNN.

1:26:53 UH THANK YOU CHAIR.

1:26:55 UM, ONE OF THE QUESTIONS.

1:26:57 I HAVE IS AROUND THE

1:26:58 ECONOMIC IMPACT AND UH, WE KNOW

1:27:01 YOU KNOW THAT YOU KNOW, THEY DO

1:27:04 CREATE YOU KNOW, CONSTRUCTION

1:27:05 JOBS.

1:27:06 BUT CAN YOU TALK TO ME ABOUT,

1:27:09 UM, ANY RESEARCH OF WHAT YOU'VE

1:27:10 SEEN AROUND THE PERMANENT JOBS

1:27:13 THAT ARE CREATED AND THEN ALSO

1:27:14 HOW THEY SUPPORT, UH, ANY AND

1:27:17 ANY OTHER INDUSTRY AND JOBS

1:27:19 THAT IS SUPPORTED BY THESE

1:27:20 OPERATIONS.

1:27:23 YOU SEE, BOSTON HAS.

1:27:26 A GOOD EXAMPLE IN LAW.

1:27:28 YOU DON'T NEED TO GO FAR.

1:27:30 YOU JUST GO 35 MINUTES.

1:27:32 AWAY FROM HERE AND YOU WILL

1:27:34 SEE.

1:27:34 THE AMOUNT OF JOBS THAT THESE

1:27:37 COMPANIES CREATE.

1:27:38 MARK LEE HAS BEEN IN LAW FOR

1:27:40 TEN YEARS.

1:27:41 IT'S TRUE THERE HAVE BEEN.

1:27:44 CONSTRUCTION JOBS BUT FOR.

1:27:46 TEN YEARS WE HAVE.

1:27:48 BELOW 40 JOBS.

1:27:50 AND WE SHOULDN'T.

1:27:52 JUST BE TALKING ABOUT JOBS.

1:27:53 I'D LIKE TO TELL YOU ABOUT.

1:27:55 TWO WEEKS.

1:27:56 AGO THE.

1:27:57 FIRE STATION THAT SERVES, UH.

1:28:01 THE LOCATION.

1:28:02 WHERE THIS DATA CENTER.

1:28:05 IS WAS BROWNED OUT.

1:28:07 BECAUSE THE CITY COULD NOT.

1:28:08 AFFORD EXTRA.

1:28:10 UH, OVERTIME.

1:28:12 MY POINT MY POINT IS THAT WE

1:28:14 CANNOT JUST SAY IT'S.

1:28:15 JOBS.

1:28:16 JOBS, JOBS A.

1:28:18 MUNICIPALITY SHOULD BE ABLE TO

1:28:19 COME OUT OF THIS.

1:28:21 KIND OF AN ARRANGEMENT.

1:28:24 PROTECTING ITS.

1:28:25 RESIDENTS FROM FIRES.

1:28:28 SURVEILLANCE AND SO MANY OTHER.

1:28:30 TERRIBLE THINGS.

1:28:32 AND I'LL AGAIN POINT YOU TO

1:28:33 GOOD JOBS FIRST THERE UH,

1:28:36 NATIONAL THINK TANK THAT HAS

1:28:37 DONE RESEARCH INTO DATA CENTER

1:28:39 TAX SUBSIDIES AND JOB CREATION

1:28:41 .

1:28:41 I THINK UH, OFF THE TOP OF MY

1:28:43 HEAD FOR THE LARGE HYPERSCALE

1:28:44 DATA CENTERS MUCH LARGER THAN

1:28:46 THE ONE IN LOWELL, THEY CREATE

1:28:47 AN AVERAGE OF 100 JOBS.

1:28:48 HOWEVER, THERE'S NO CERTAINTY

1:28:50 THAT THOSE JOBS ARE LOCAL.

1:28:51 MANY OF THEM ARE REMOTE.

1:28:53 THEY OFTEN REQUIRE DIFFERENT

1:28:54 KINDS OF TECHNICAL AND SPECIAL

1:28:56 CERTIFICATIONS AND SKILLS.

1:28:57 AND SO WHEN WE THINK ABOUT IF A

1:28:59 DATA CENTER WERE TO COME TO

1:29:00 BOSTON, WOULD PEOPLE IN BOSTON

1:29:02 ACTUALLY BENEFIT FROM WORKING

1:29:03 THERE AND HOW MUCH THE MATH

1:29:04 DOESN'T MATH WE LOSE MORE UM,

1:29:06 IN TAX INCENTIVES THAN WE GET.

1:29:08 BACK, RIGHT?

1:29:09 THAT'S A GOOD POINT.

1:29:10 AS 1 TO 1 OF MY QUESTIONS, UM,

1:29:12 WAS AROUND UH, HOW MUCH OF UM

1:29:18 HOW MUCH DO WE WEIGH THAT TAX

1:29:20 INCENTIVE VERSUS UM, YOU KNOW,

1:29:24 THE REGULATORY OF OTHER DATA

1:29:26 CENTERS.

1:29:27 BUT BEFORE IT BEFORE.

1:29:28 I GO INTO THAT QUESTION.

1:29:29 ARE MOST OF THESE DATA.

1:29:30 CENTERS OWNED BY.

1:29:31 FOR PROFIT OR NONPROFIT.

1:29:33 COMPANIES?

1:29:35 SO UM, I TO YOUR EARLIER

1:29:38 QUESTION AROUND, YOU KNOW, THE

1:29:40 APPLICABILITY OF THESE DATA

1:29:41 CENTERS RIGHT NOW THERE ARE

1:29:42 EIGHT DATA CENTERS OR EIGHT

1:29:44 BUILDINGS THAT HAVE THE

1:29:45 DESIGNATION OF DATA CENTER, UM,

1:29:47 WITHIN THE 2026 REPORTING THAT

1:29:50 IS AN UNDERCOUNT.

1:29:51 THERE'S AT LEAST ONE DATA

1:29:52 CENTER THAT HASN'T REPORTED TO

1:29:54 BOURDEAUX.

1:29:55 UM, ALL OF THE ONES THAT HAVE

1:29:56 REPORTED ARE CURRENTLY OWNED BY

1:29:58 FOR PROFIT COMPANIES TO MY

1:30:00 UNDERSTANDING FROM THAT LIST.

1:30:01 AND BASED OFF THE SQUARE

1:30:02 FOOTAGE LIKE HOW MUCH?

1:30:04 DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA OF LIKE

1:30:06 HOW MUCH EMISSIONS OR HOW MUCH

1:30:08 ELECTRICITY OR RESOURCES THEY

1:30:10 USE BASED OFF THE SQUARE

1:30:11 FOOTAGE COMPARED TO TO.

1:30:12 OTHER SIMILAR SIZE?

1:30:15 THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.

1:30:16 AS AN AGGREGATE NO.

1:30:18 AND THAT'S LARGELY BECAUSE ONE

1:30:20 OF THE LARGER ONES WHICH IS THE

1:30:22 UH MARKLEY DATA CENTER IN

1:30:24 WASHINGTON AND SUMMER STREET UM

1:30:25 ,THEY HAVE NOT REPORTED THEIR

1:30:27 ENERGY AND WATER USE AND UM

1:30:28 IMPORTANT TO NOTE AS WELL TO

1:30:30 THE OTHER QUESTION, THE THE USE

1:30:32 OF BACKUP GENERATORS IS NOT,

1:30:34 UH, YOU KNOW, COUNTED AS A PART

1:30:36 OF THE OVERALL ENERGY AND

1:30:38 EMISSIONS SCORE THAT WE HAVE

1:30:39 UNDER BOURDEAUX SO WE DON'T

1:30:42 HAVE I THINK, YOU KNOW, JUST

1:30:44 EVEN WITHIN THE DEFINITION

1:30:46 OF ENERGY AND EMISSIONS UNDER

1:30:47 BOURDEAUX TO MY VIEW THE FULL

1:30:49 COMPLETE PICTURE BECAUSE OF THE

1:30:50 UNDERREPORTING.

1:30:50 GOT IT.

1:30:52 ALL RIGHT AND THEN.

1:30:58 SO I WAS LOOKING AT MY QUESTION

1:31:03 UM HOW HOW DO WE DETERMINE

1:31:05 WHETHER THE ECONOMIC BENEFITS

1:31:07 OUTWEIGH THE ADDITIONAL

1:31:10 ELECTRICITY AND INFRASTRUCTURE

1:31:11 COSTS?

1:31:12 I'LL JUMP BACK IN.

1:31:14 SO IS IN 2025 WE HOSTED A

1:31:17 NATIONAL CONVENING ON DATA

1:31:18 CENTERS IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE

1:31:20 NAACP AND TWO LOCAL MEMPHIS

1:31:22 ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE

1:31:23 ORGANIZATIONS THAT WERE

1:31:24 ORGANIZING AGAINST Z.

1:31:26 AND WE CAME UP WITH FRONT LINE

1:31:28 FRAMEWORK COMMUNITY GUIDING

1:31:30 PRINCIPLES FOR EQUITABLE DATA

1:31:31 CENTER DEVELOPMENT.

1:31:31 ONE OF MY FAVORITE ONES IS JOBS

1:31:34 CANNOT JUSTIFY HARM, SO WE HAVE

1:31:36 TO PUT A BOTTOM LINE ON THE

1:31:37 HEALTH AND WELL-BEING OF OUR

1:31:38 PEOPLE.

1:31:39 UM WE CANNOT EXCHANGE ASTHMA

1:31:41 FOR THE PROMISE OF TAX DOLLARS

1:31:42 AND SO THAT'S MY BOTTOM LINE.

1:31:44 ALL RIGHT.

1:31:45 WELL THANK YOU AND LOOK

1:31:46 FORWARD TO WORKING WITH THE

1:31:48 PANEL ON, UM, THIS ORDINANCE.

1:31:49 THANK YOU.

1:31:51 THANK YOU SO MUCH.

1:31:53 UM, COUNCILOR EARLE,

1:31:54 COUNCILOR FLYNN, YOU HAVE FIVE

1:31:55 MINUTES.

1:31:56 THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.

1:31:57 I I WANT TO ASK A QUESTION

1:32:01 TO IS IT MARY FROM LEVEL?

1:32:02 HI, MARY.

1:32:03 IT'S GOOD TO BE WITH YOU.

1:32:04 UM, MARY THE THE PROPOSAL

1:32:07 OUTLINED BUT THIS BY THE CITY

1:32:09 COUNCIL IN THIS UM THIS

1:32:12 ORDINANCE UH TEXT UM CHANGE TO

1:32:14 THE ZONING CODE.

1:32:16 UH, THERE IS THERE ANY OTHER

1:32:19 CITY THAT HAS DONE SOMETHING

1:32:21 SIMILAR TO THAT BESIDES UM

1:32:24 BESIDES SOME OF THE THE CITIES

1:32:26 .

1:32:26 THAT WERE MENTIONED?

1:32:29 UM OR I DO YOU HAVE ANY

1:32:31 BACKGROUND INFORMATION?

1:32:32 WOULD BOSTON BE THE.

1:32:35 NEW THE BIGGEST CITY OR THE

1:32:37 MAJOR CITY FIRST MAJOR CITY TO

1:32:39 ENACT THIS TYPE OF CHANGE IN

1:32:40 THE COUNTRY OR OTHER CITIES ARE

1:32:42 DOING THIS AS WELL?

1:32:45 ARE YOU ASKING ABOUT THE LOCAL

1:32:47 MORATORIUM HERE?

1:32:50 UM, I'M ASKING IF IF BOSTON

1:32:51 WERE TO IMPLEMENT THIS CHANGE

1:32:54 AS OUTLINED.

1:32:55 UM, WOULD IT BE THE FIRST CITY

1:32:58 IN THE COUNTRY TO DO THAT OR OR

1:33:00 HAVE OTHER CITIES?

1:33:02 UM.

1:33:05 UM YEAH.

1:33:06 SO UM, IN REGARDS TO

1:33:08 MORATORIUMS, THOSE ARE AN

1:33:10 EPIDEMIC.

1:33:11 THEY'RE HAPPENING EVERYWHERE

1:33:12 BECAUSE THEY'RE NEEDED

1:33:12 INCLUDING HERE IN MASSACHUSETTS

1:33:13 IN TERMS OF PUTTING A PAUSE ONE

1:33:15 YEAR WITH NO DATA CENTER

1:33:16 DEVELOPMENT IN TERMS

1:33:17 OF OUTRIGHT BANS.

1:33:18 TO MY KNOWLEDGE NO SUPER MAJOR

1:33:20 CITIES.

1:33:20 BUT THERE DEFINITELY HAVE BEEN

1:33:21 MUNICIPAL BANS ACROSS THE

1:33:23 COUNTRY.

1:33:23 OKAY.

1:33:24 YEAH THAT'S THAT'S WHAT I'M

1:33:25 ASKING IS THE OUTRIGHT BANS I

1:33:26 THINK THIS ONE HERE THIS

1:33:29 PROPOSAL WOULD PROHIBIT DATA

1:33:31 CENTERS IN ALL ZONING DISTRICTS

1:33:33 .

1:33:33 I THINK THAT'S THE.

1:33:34 THE WORDING.

1:33:35 BUT I GUESS MY QUESTION IS

1:33:37 WOULD BOSTON BE THE FIRST CITY

1:33:38 TO DO THAT IN THE COUNTRY?

1:33:40 SO IF I CAN ALSO JUMP IN

1:33:41 COUNCILOR UM ONE OTHER EXAMPLE

1:33:44 IS RELEVANT HERE IS IN PHOENIX

1:33:45 ARIZONA.

1:33:46 THEY PASSED A LAW THAT REQUIRES

1:33:48 A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FROM THEIR

1:33:49 CITY COUNCIL FOR THE

1:33:51 CONSTRUCTION OF DATA CENTERS

1:33:52 OUTSIDE OF AN INDUSTRIAL AREA

1:33:53 WHICH IS SIMILAR BUT NOT THE

1:33:55 SAME AS WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED

1:33:56 HERE.

1:33:56 OKAY.

1:33:57 I DID WANT TO ASK A QUESTION TO

1:33:59 MR DALY.

1:34:00 I KNOW HE'S NOT ON THE PANEL,

1:34:01 BUT MY MY QUESTION TO MR.

1:34:04 MADAM CHAIR, MAY I ASK A

1:34:06 QUESTION TO MR DALY?

1:34:06 YES YOU CAN.

1:34:07 OKAY.

1:34:08 MY QUESTION IS MIKE IS ON

1:34:10 OVER THERE.

1:34:10 YEAH.

1:34:11 MY QUESTION.

1:34:11 COULD I.

1:34:12 ADD IN ONE MORE THING TO

1:34:13 THAT LAST.

1:34:13 QUESTION BEFORE WE MOVE ON?

1:34:16 OKAY.

1:34:17 UM I WOULD ALSO RECOMMEND

1:34:18 LOOKING AT THE THE CITY

1:34:19 OF EVERETT RECENTLY UM, PASSED

1:34:22 UPDATED ZONING FOR UH.

1:34:24 DATA CENTERS.

1:34:25 WHICH INCLUDES THRESHOLDS JUST

1:34:26 FOR ANOTHER EXAMPLE.

1:34:28 UM I JUST WANT TO JUST SAY JUST

1:34:30 LOUD AND PAUSING THE THING

1:34:31 BEFORE I UM THEIR REGULATORY

1:34:33 FRAMEWORK IN OTHER CITIES CAN

1:34:34 BE VERY DIFFERENT FROM OURS.

1:34:36 WE ARE PETITIONING THAT, YOU

1:34:37 KNOW, THIS IS A PETITION TO THE

1:34:39 ZONING COMMISSION WHICH IS

1:34:40 GOING THROUGH THIS COMMITTEE.

1:34:41 UM, BOSTON ANY REGULAR MEMBER

1:34:44 OF THE PUBLIC CAN PETITION THE

1:34:45 ZONING COMMISSION IN ANY WAY.

1:34:48 WE ARE ACTUALLY NOT SPECIAL AS

1:34:49 THE CITY COUNCIL.

1:34:50 THIS PETITION IS THE SAME AS A

1:34:52 REGULAR PERSON SUBMITTING A

1:34:53 PETITION.

1:34:53 THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT WE CAN

1:34:55 WAIVE A PUBLIC MEETING.

1:34:57 UM THERE ARE UM CERTAIN PLACES

1:34:59 WHERE EVERY DEVELOPMENT GOES

1:35:01 THROUGH THEIR TOWN SELECT BOARD

1:35:02 AND THEY HAVE HUNDREDS

1:35:03 OF PEOPLE THAT ARE ON THAT

1:35:04 SELECT BOARD.

1:35:05 SO EVERY CITY AND MUNICIPALITY

1:35:07 IS DIFFERENT AND THE POWERS

1:35:08 THAT THEY HAVE ARE VERY

1:35:09 DIFFERENT.

1:35:10 UM I'LL JUST SAY THAT THERE ARE

1:35:11 A NUMBER OF TOWNS UM, IN

1:35:13 MASSACHUSETTS THAT HAVE DONE

1:35:15 EITHER TEMPORARY MORATORIUMS OR

1:35:18 MORATORIUMS ON DATA CENTERS.

1:35:19 UM, WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT

1:35:22 IS HYPERSCALE.

1:35:22 I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'VE ALL HAD

1:35:24 THE SAME DEFINITION AND PART

1:35:26 OF WHY I WAS SO INTERESTED IN

1:35:27 HAVING A HEARING ON THIS ZONING

1:35:29 AMENDMENT IS IT GIVES US THE

1:35:30 OPPORTUNITY TO TALK THROUGH

1:35:32 WHAT THOSE DEFINITIONS MIGHT BE

1:35:34 IF WE WERE TO HAVE, YOU KNOW,

1:35:36 AS WE'RE HAVING THIS

1:35:37 CONVERSATION BECAUSE IT'S UM

1:35:39 NOT EVERY MUNICIPALITY HAS DONE

1:35:41 SOMETHING DIFFERENTLY.

1:35:42 A LOT OF MAYORS HAVE MADE HUGE

1:35:44 ANNOUNCEMENTS, YOU KNOW, IN

1:35:45 DIFFERENT.

1:35:46 SO ANYWAYS, I'LL START THE TIME

1:35:47 BACK AND LET YOU HAVE YOUR TIME

1:35:49 BACK, COUNCILOR FLYNN.

1:35:50 BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO

1:35:51 SAY THAT EVERY MUNICIPALITY IS

1:35:52 DIFFERENT.

1:35:53 WE AND UH THE I KNOW THE STATE

1:35:55 OF NEW YORK HAS DONE THE MORE

1:35:57 MORATORIUM.

1:35:58 THERE HAVE BEEN A NUMBER OF UM

1:36:00 AND SO UH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ALL

1:36:02 SET UP DIFFERENTLY AND SO I

1:36:03 THINK AS A CITY WE'RE NOW

1:36:05 HAVING THIS CONVERSATION ABOUT

1:36:07 DEFINITIONS AND SO IT'S NOT A

1:36:09 SURPRISE THAT THIS CONVERSATION

1:36:11 IS SO DETAILED BECAUSE IT IS

1:36:13 SUCH A NUANCED CONVERSATION TO

1:36:15 BE HAVING.

1:36:15 SORRY, COUNCILOR FLYNN, YOU

1:36:16 HAVE BEFORE.

1:36:18 YOU HAD THE QUESTION I HAD TO

1:36:20 MR DELEON, BESIDES THE BUILDING

1:36:22 OF A DATA CENTER, ISN'T IT TRUE

1:36:24 THAT.

1:36:27 UNION ELECTRICIANS DO PLAY A

1:36:29 CRITICAL ROLE INSIDE THE DATA

1:36:31 CENTERS THEY HAVE TO MAINTAIN

1:36:33 THEY HAVE TO MAINTAIN THEM AS

1:36:35 WELL.

1:36:36 CAN YOU TALK ABOUT WHAT THAT

1:36:39 JOB ENTAILS AND IS THAT A

1:36:43 CRITICAL PART OF UM.

1:36:47 A CRITICAL PART OF A DATA

1:36:48 CENTER IS MAKING SURE THAT THE

1:36:50 ONGOING MAINTENANCE IS IS

1:36:51 PROPERLY ADDRESSED.

1:36:53 UH, THANK YOU, COUNCILOR FOR

1:36:54 THE FOR THE QUESTION.

1:36:56 ABSOLUTELY.

1:36:56 WE HAVE HUNDREDS

1:36:57 OF ELECTRICIANS WORKING IN UH I

1:36:59 DON'T KNOW HOW MANY OTHER CITY

1:37:00 COUNCILS WALK THROUGH THE UH,

1:37:02 MACY'S BUILDING, BUT UH, MY

1:37:03 BOSS REPORTED THAT IT WAS A

1:37:05 VERY SUCCESSFUL WALK AND YOU

1:37:06 GOT TO MEET SOME OF THE

1:37:07 ELECTRICIANS THAT ARE UM,

1:37:09 MAINTAINING THAT, UH, VERY

1:37:10 CRITICAL DATA.

1:37:11 THIS ISN'T SO MUCH ABOUT

1:37:14 TIKTOKS OF SNAPCHATS.

1:37:15 IT'S MAINLY ABOUT UH, UH,

1:37:18 DETAILED DATA FOR UH, MASS

1:37:20 GENERAL HOSPITAL AND

1:37:22 CANCER RESEARCH AND VERY

1:37:23 EXTREME IMPORTANT OPPORTUNITIES

1:37:26 UH, TO TO PROCEED WITH UM THE

1:37:29 WONDERFUL TECHNOLOGIES UM,

1:37:31 NEVER MIND SOMEBODY COMPLAINING

1:37:33 THAT THEIR EMAIL DIDN'T GO

1:37:34 THROUGH AS FAST AS THEY WANTED

1:37:35 TO THE INCONVENIENCE FACTOR BUT

1:37:38 BUT OUR ELECTRICIANS MAINTAIN

1:37:40 THESE SYSTEMS THAT A CRITICAL

1:37:42 MODE TO EVERY DAY UM HOSPITALS

1:37:46 UNIVERSITIES UH TO KEEP THAT SO

1:37:48 IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO HAVE UH

1:37:50 SKILLED LICENSED ELECTRICIANS

1:37:53 UH 24 HOURS MAINTAINING UH

1:37:54 THESE DATA CENTERS.

1:37:56 UM I KNOW WE WANT TO FOCUS ON

1:37:58 BOSTON AND I WILL SAY UH, THE

1:37:59 MOXIE GROUP UP IN IN LAWRENCE

1:38:02 PLANTED 1500 TREES IN LAWRENCE

1:38:04 ,WHICH IS INCREDIBLE.

1:38:05 THE, UH, THEY ARE GETTING, UH,

1:38:08 KICKED IN LEFT AND RIGHT UP

1:38:09 THERE BUT THEY HAVE DONE A LOT

1:38:10 FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

1:38:11 AND ONE OTHER THING AS

1:38:13 LISTENING TO THIS PROCESS A THE

1:38:15 CONCERN ABOUT UH, DIESEL

1:38:17 GENERATORS, THEY DO RUN MAYBE

1:38:19 ONCE EVERY SIX WEEKS BUT FOR

1:38:21 FIVE MINUTES I THINK THAT THESE

1:38:23 DATA CENTERS ARE NOT RUNNING ON

1:38:26 ON THESE UM ON THESE DIESEL

1:38:28 GENERATORS.

1:38:28 HOWEVER, IT IS CRITICAL

1:38:30 INFORMATION TO HAVE UM

1:38:31 IMMEDIATE RESPONSE TO A POWER

1:38:33 OUTAGE SOMEWHERE THAT MORE

1:38:36 IMPORTANT THAN FACEBOOK AND

1:38:37 TIKTOKS THAT UH THAT OUR

1:38:39 UNIVERSITIES AND OUR HOSPITALS

1:38:40 AND ALL THAT CRITICAL BANKING

1:38:42 INFORMATION UH DOES NOT HAVE A

1:38:44 UH A DISRUPTION AT ALL.

1:38:46 SO THERE BUILDING THE DATA

1:38:48 CENTERS UH THE SMALLER ONES

1:38:50 THAT WE HAVE WILL NEVER HAVE A

1:38:51 MEGA CENTER HERE IN BOSTON OR

1:38:52 AND AND REALLY IN MASSACHUSETTS

1:38:55 I WOULD SAY MAYBE IN WESTERN

1:38:56 MASS IF IT GOES THROUGH BUT UH,

1:38:58 THEY'RE GREAT JOBS TO BUILD

1:39:00 THESE DATA CENTERS AND THEY'RE

1:39:02 CONTINUED REAL GOOD JOB

1:39:04 OPPORTUNITIES FOR FELLOW BOSTON

1:39:05 RESIDENTS LIKE ME TO MAINTAIN

1:39:06 THESE THROUGHOUT MANY YEARS TO

1:39:08 COME.

1:39:08 THANK YOU, MR DELANEY.

1:39:10 THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.

1:39:11 MAY I ASK ONE MORE FINAL ONE

1:39:13 MORE QUESTION?

1:39:14 YES YOU CAN.

1:39:14 OKAY.

1:39:15 UM.

1:39:16 AND I DO WANT TO ASK UM I DO

1:39:19 WANT TO ASK A QUESTION IF I MAY

1:39:22 TO UM TO TISH WHO IS THE

1:39:24 EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR BOSTON

1:39:27 TEACHING HOSPITALS.

1:39:28 UH, IT'S GOOD TO BE WITH YOU.

1:39:30 UM, JUST SO THE THE DATA

1:39:33 CENTERS SAY THE DATA CENTER IN

1:39:36 DOWNTOWN BOSTON JUST SO WE ARE

1:39:39 EDUCATING THE PUBLIC THAT DATA

1:39:41 CENTER IS HOLDING INFORMATION

1:39:45 DATA FROM HOSPITALS, COLLEGES.

1:39:47 IS IT.

1:39:48 CRITICAL TO HAVE THAT DATA

1:39:50 STORED OFFSITE.

1:39:52 FROM FROM A HOSPITAL FOR

1:39:55 VARIOUS REASONS.

1:39:56 MAYBE IT'S SAFETY.

1:39:57 MAYBE IT'S MAYBE IT NEEDS TO BE

1:39:59 AT THIS PLACE.

1:40:00 BUT IS IT CRITICAL TO HAVE THAT

1:40:02 TYPE OF DATA CENTER.

1:40:05 OFFSITE IN NOT NOT PHYSICALLY

1:40:08 AT THE HOSPITAL ITSELF?

1:40:10 I, I, I DID HAVE THE

1:40:11 OPPORTUNITY TO VISIT THE

1:40:13 DOWNTOWN BOSTON SITE AND TALK

1:40:16 TO MANY OF THE WORKERS WHO WELL

1:40:18 I WAS IMPRESSED WITH THE

1:40:20 WORKERS THERE THE

1:40:20 PROFESSIONALISM.

1:40:21 BUT CAN YOU JUST TALK TO

1:40:23 ME ABOUT WHY IT'S CRITICAL TO

1:40:24 HAVE SOMETHING OFFSITE COMPARED

1:40:27 TO ONSITE?

1:40:28 I DON'T HAVE ENOUGH EXPERTISE

1:40:30 TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION

1:40:33 OFFSITE.

1:40:33 I KNOW IT'S CRITICAL TO THE

1:40:35 HOSPITALS UH, WHETHER IT'S

1:40:39 SOMETHING THEY COULD REPLICATE

1:40:41 ON SITE.

1:40:42 I DON'T KNOW, BUT I'M HAPPY TO

1:40:44 GET THAT INFORMATION BACK TO

1:40:45 YOU IN THE CHAIR.

1:40:46 OF THE PROFESSOR.

1:40:47 OKAY.

1:40:48 WOULD YOU LIKE.

1:40:48 TO SO.

1:40:49 I CAN I CAN BRIEFLY COMMENT NOT

1:40:51 SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE

1:40:52 HOSPITALS BUT GENERALLY

1:40:54 MAINTAINING YOUR OWN IT YOUR

1:40:56 OWN INFRASTRUCTURE UH, BECOMES

1:40:58 VERY EXPENSIVE.

1:40:59 OKAY.

1:40:59 SO THERE'S A LOT

1:41:01 OF CONSULTATION.

1:41:01 UM, SO THIS IS ONE OF THE

1:41:03 REASONS FPC THE MASSACHUSETTS

1:41:05 GREEN HIGH PERFORMANCE

1:41:06 COMPUTING CENTER WAS BUILT SO

1:41:08 THAT UNIVERSITIES MOVED THEIR

1:41:11 INDIVIDUAL SERVER ROOMS MOSTLY

1:41:12 BY LARGE THERE UH IT BECOMES

1:41:15 MUCH CHEAPER, UH.

1:41:16 SAFER.

1:41:17 MORE SECURE, MORE UP TO DATE

1:41:18 TO MAINTAIN IT UH OTHERWISE

1:41:21 EACH ENTITY WOULD NEED TO

1:41:23 ESSENTIALLY RUN THEIR OWN CLOUD

1:41:24 SERVICE WHICH WHICH UH REQUIRES

1:41:25 A LOT OF RESOURCES.

1:41:27 EXCELLENT.

1:41:28 THANK YOU.

1:41:28 THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.

1:41:29 THANK YOU FOR GIVING ME AN

1:41:31 EXTRA COUPLE OF MINUTES I

1:41:32 APPRECIATE IT.

1:41:32 THANK YOU SO MUCH,

1:41:33 COUNCILOR FLYNN.

1:41:34 UM, I DID WANT TO JUST FOLLOW

1:41:35 UP ON THAT QUESTION.

1:41:36 CAN YOU TELL US MORE ABOUT, UM,

1:41:39 PROFESSOR, WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT

1:41:41 SORT OF BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY I YOU

1:41:43 KNOW, I'VE BEEN STUDYING THIS

1:41:44 FOR THE LAST WEEK, BUT I DON'T

1:41:45 KNOW WHETHER YOU ARE A LEADING

1:41:47 EXPERT ON, UM, BOTH I AND ON

1:41:51 GREEN BUILDING FOR, UM, DATA

1:41:54 CENTERS.

1:41:55 I'M CURIOUS SORT OF WHAT YOU

1:41:57 WOULD PUT AS THE THRESHOLD FOR

1:41:59 A HYPER SCALE DATA CENTER

1:42:01 VERSUS, UH, YOU KNOW, A SMALLER

1:42:04 DATA CENTER AND ALSO WHAT THE.

1:42:06 WHAT.

1:42:06 HOW YOU WOULD DEFINE AN

1:42:07 INFERENCE POINT AND HOW YOU CAN

1:42:10 DESCRIBE HOW LIKE INFERENCE

1:42:11 POINTS AND OTHER UM COMPUTING

1:42:14 CENTERS COMMUNICATE WITH A

1:42:16 LARGER DATA CENTER JUST FOR US

1:42:18 TO UNDERSTAND THAT THERE IS

1:42:19 INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WE MIGHT

1:42:20 NEED IN BOSTON THAT ISN'T

1:42:22 NECESSARILY A SORT OF LARGER

1:42:23 SCALE DATA CENTER.

1:42:25 UH GREAT QUESTION.

1:42:27 I THINK IN TERMS OF THE FIRST

1:42:28 QUESTION OF WHERE IS THE

1:42:30 THRESHOLD THAT SEPARATES A

1:42:31 LARGE HYPERSCALER FROM A

1:42:33 SMALLER DATA CENTER?

1:42:35 UM, I DON'T THINK THERE'S A

1:42:36 GOLDEN NUMBER BUT THERE ARE

1:42:37 VARIOUS STUDIES OR UH, STATES

1:42:39 HAVE VARIOUS REGULATIONS SOME

1:42:41 PLACE THE NUMBER AT 75MW, SOME

1:42:43 AT 50 UH SOME AT LOWER NUMBER.

1:42:46 UH SO AT THIS DEPENDS ON THE

1:42:48 PARTICULAR UH GRIDS AND UH ON

1:42:50 WHAT IS CONSIDERED A LARGE LOAD

1:42:53 UH GENERALLY WE ARE LOOKING

1:42:54 INTO YOU KNOW, 50 PLUS UH

1:42:56 MEGAWATTS IN TERMS OF THE

1:42:58 INFERENCE POINT UH, THERE IS UM

1:43:01 INCREASING NEED FOR AI AND

1:43:03 COMPUTING INFRASTRUCTURE FOR A

1:43:05 VARIETY OF REASONS.

1:43:06 WE TALKED ABOUT HOSPITALS,

1:43:07 SCIENTIFIC RESEARCH FOR LOW

1:43:09 ENFORCEMENT FOR MANY OTHER

1:43:11 APPLICATIONS AND SOME OF.

1:43:12 THESE UH, WILL NEED TO HAVE

1:43:15 LOCAL UH, AS YOU CALL INFERENCE

1:43:17 POINTS OR EDGE DATA CENTERS AS

1:43:19 WE ALSO CALL THEM.

1:43:21 UM, THIS IS NECESSARY BECAUSE

1:43:22 SOME OF THE APPLICATIONS THAT

1:43:24 WE RUN ARE LOW LATENCY.

1:43:26 SO YOU NEED TO HAVE A LOCAL

1:43:27 DATA CENTER TO UM, ACCESS UH

1:43:31 THERE ARE ALSO DATA CENTERS

1:43:32 THAT NEED TO BE CONNECTED TO UH

1:43:35 RESEARCH INFRASTRUCTURE

1:43:36 LABORATORY EQUIPMENT UH, AND

1:43:38 THE LIKE.

1:43:39 SO AGAIN, UH THEY NEED TO BE

1:43:40 LOCAL.

1:43:41 CAN YOU DESCRIBE WHAT JUST FOR

1:43:42 LIKE THE.

1:43:44 I WOULD SAY THE.

1:43:45 PUBLIC BUT I'M LIKE ME TOO.

1:43:46 UM CAN YOU DESCRIBE LIKE WHAT

1:43:48 THOSE MIGHT BE USED FOR?

1:43:49 YES.

1:43:50 LIKE SOME SAMPLES.

1:43:51 YEAH SURE SURE.

1:43:52 FOR INSTANCE, UM, BIOMEDICAL

1:43:55 RESEARCH UH, MAY HAVE, UH, LAB

1:43:58 EQUIPMENT DRUG DISCOVERY, UM

1:44:02 COMPUTING SOFTWARE MIGHT NEED

1:44:04 TO EVENTUALLY CONNECT TO

1:44:05 LABORATORY EQUIPMENT, UH, FOR

1:44:08 EXPERIMENTATION.

1:44:08 THAT'S ONE EXAMPLE.

1:44:10 UH, THERE COULD BE MEDICAL

1:44:12 APPLICATIONS WHERE YOU KNOW,

1:44:14 EVENTUALLY THE COMPUTATIONAL

1:44:16 UH, ACTIVITIES WE ARE DOING MAY

1:44:18 NEED TO CONNECT TO PHYSICAL

1:44:19 DEVICES.

1:44:20 UM AND AGAIN LABORATORY

1:44:22 EQUIPMENT FOR EXPERIMENTS, UM.

1:44:24 AND THE.

1:44:25 LIKE UH, SO UH I MENTIONED

1:44:28 LOW LATENCY APPLICATIONS.

1:44:30 I MENTIONED THE NEED TO CONNECT

1:44:31 TO PHYSICAL INFRASTRUCTURE.

1:44:33 AND THE THIRD THING IS.

1:44:35 UM.

1:44:35 SOME OF THE DATA IS

1:44:37 SENSITIVE AND IS NOT EASILY

1:44:39 OFFLOADED TO REMOTE LOCATIONS.

1:44:42 UH, SO LIKE A CT OR CAT SCAN OR

1:44:44 AN MRI MEDICAL.

1:44:45 DATA FINANCE DATA.

1:44:47 WHEN.

1:44:47 WE LOOK INTO EXAMPLES WE TALKED

1:44:48 ABOUT CITIES AS EXAMPLES.

1:44:50 NEW YORK CITY HAS A LARGE

1:44:51 NUMBER OF DATA CENTERS AND A

1:44:53 LOT OF THE FINANCE INDUSTRY UM

1:44:56 ,HOLD THEIR DATA SENSITIVE

1:44:58 DATA IN NEW YORK CITY.

1:45:00 UH, SO AND ONE CAN GIVE MORE

1:45:02 EXAMPLES.

1:45:03 SO NOT ALL COMPUTING NEEDS TO

1:45:04 BE LOCAL.

1:45:05 SO COMPUTING IS ACTUALLY VERY

1:45:06 FLEXIBLE.

1:45:07 YOU CAN MOVE IT AROUND YOU KNOW

1:45:09 YOU CAN ACCESS DIFFERENT

1:45:10 LOCATIONS HOWEVER LOCAL

1:45:12 INFRASTRUCTURE UH ALSO MATTERS

1:45:15 SO SOME LOCAL INFRASTRUCTURE IS

1:45:16 NEEDED.

1:45:17 WHAT'S THE THRESHOLD HOW MUCH

1:45:18 HEADROOM WE.

1:45:19 HAVE IN BOSTON.

1:45:20 TO BUILD SAFELY DATA CENTERS I

1:45:22 DON'T KNOW BUT IT CAN CERTAINLY

1:45:24 BE STUDIED AND THESE THRESHOLDS

1:45:26 CAN BE DETERMINED UM BASED ON

1:45:28 MEASUREMENTS SCIENTIFICALLY

1:45:30 ESSENTIALLY.

1:45:31 AND I KNOW YOU'RE NOT IN THE

1:45:33 MEDICAL INDUSTRY.

1:45:34 YOU KNOW YOU'RE STUDYING AND

1:45:35 THE.

1:45:35 COMPUTER ENGINEER.

1:45:36 YEAH, YOU'RE A PROFESSOR,

1:45:37 YOU'RE STUDYING YOU'RE

1:45:38 COMPUTING ENGINEER AND YOU ALSO

1:45:40 HAVE YOUR OWN AI COMPANY.

1:45:42 SO I'M JUST KIND OF SO I I I'M

1:45:44 JUST CURIOUS UM, I HEAR A LOT

1:45:48 ABOUT COMPUTING CENTERS AND AND

1:45:50 WHAT DO YOU THINK LIKE IN TERMS

1:45:52 OF LIKE HOW MUCH MEGABYTES YOU

1:45:54 KNOW, LIKE INSIDE A HOSPITAL OR

1:45:56 INSIDE A UNIVERSITY?

1:45:58 UM, SORT OF WHAT HOW MANY

1:46:00 MEGAWATTS DO YOU THINK THOSE

1:46:01 ARE USING?

1:46:02 BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE DON'T HAVE

1:46:03 A SPECIAL PERMITTING OPTION TO

1:46:06 PERMIT THAT AND I DON'T EVEN

1:46:07 KNOW THAT WE'VE BEEN AS A CITY

1:46:09 SORT OF TRACKING HOW YOU KNOW,

1:46:11 WHERE THESE COMPUTATIONAL

1:46:13 CENTERS ARE LOCATED.

1:46:16 SO UM.

1:46:17 I DON'T KNOW THE NUMBER.

1:46:19 UM.

1:46:20 UH, GENERALLY BOSTON IS

1:46:21 MENTIONED BEFORE HAS A HANDFUL

1:46:23 OF DATA CENTERS GREATER BOSTON

1:46:24 AREA SO HAS OVER 40 DATA

1:46:27 CENTERS.

1:46:28 UM, LAST TIME I CHECKED AND

1:46:30 THAT'S UM YOU KNOW, ALL AROUND

1:46:32 BOSTON ESSENTIALLY SIZE CHANGES

1:46:34 FROM A FEW MEGAWATTS UH, TO

1:46:38 TENS OF MEGAWATTS TO IF YOU

1:46:40 LOOK AT HYPERSCALERS WE ARE

1:46:41 TALKING ABOUT 100 MEGAWATT PLUS

1:46:43 TYPICALLY SO I DON'T KNOW THE

1:46:45 CURRENT DATA CENTER LOAD IN

1:46:46 BOSTON.

1:46:47 BUT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE

1:46:48 COMPUTING FACILITY WE TALK

1:46:50 ABOUT UH TYPICALLY A MEGAWATT

1:46:52 AND BULB UH PCC UM I BELIEVE

1:46:56 OPERATES AT SEVERAL MEGAWATTS

1:46:58 RIGHT NOW AND UH WITH THE AI

1:47:00 HUB.

1:47:01 UM IT.

1:47:02 MIGHT EXPAND A FEW MORE

1:47:03 MEGAWATTS.

1:47:04 SO RELATIVELY IT'S A SMALL DATA

1:47:06 CENTER AS FAR AS DATA CENTERS

1:47:07 GO.

1:47:10 TO.

1:47:11 OH YEAH WHEN LET LET HER

1:47:13 FINISH.

1:47:13 YEAH.

1:47:14 SO GENERALLY UH LIKE I WAS

1:47:16 MENTIONING THERE IS NO UM

1:47:18 NUMBER ON TOP OF MY HEAD FOR

1:47:19 BOSTON BUT IT'S CERTAINLY UM

1:47:22 CAN BE STUDIED HOW MUCH DATA

1:47:24 CENTERS.

1:47:26 UM CAN BE ALLOWED SAFELY IN

1:47:28 TERMS OF THE GRID IMPACT IN

1:47:29 TERMS OF OTHER IMPACTS UH,

1:47:31 WITHIN BOSTON CITY.

1:47:33 SO OKAY.

1:47:33 THANK YOU SO MUCH SORRY MARY.

1:47:36 SO WHEN LOWELL LAW ENACTED ITS

1:47:38 DATA CENTER MORATORIUM, UH,

1:47:41 WE'VE BEEN THROUGH A PROCESS

1:47:42 AND HAD SIMILAR DISCUSSIONS AND

1:47:46 SO WE.

1:47:47 HAVE LIKE TWO OPTIONS.

1:47:48 THERE'S NOT BEEN A

1:47:49 DISAGREEMENT YET BUT THE

1:47:51 REGULATE OPTION SAYS ANYTHING

1:47:54 HIGHER THAN 15MW SO.

1:47:59 YEAH.

1:48:00 AND I IMAGINE THAT THERE ARE

1:48:01 PROBABLY SOME OVER 15MW THAT WE

1:48:03 HAVE NOT ESPECIALLY PERMITTED

1:48:06 NOT NECESSARILY BECAUSE THEY'VE

1:48:07 BEEN INSIDE ANOTHER THING THAT

1:48:09 WE'VE PERMITTED PROBABLY.

1:48:10 NOT IN BOSTON.

1:48:11 I MEAN I DON'T THINK THERE ARE

1:48:14 LARGE HIDDEN DATA CENTERS IN

1:48:15 BOSTON.

1:48:16 IT'S JUST IT'S A LOT

1:48:17 OF ELECTRICITY.

1:48:18 UM, BECAUSE I MEAN THEY NEED TO

1:48:21 BE INTERCONNECTED TO POWER IT.

1:48:23 YEAH, YEAH.

1:48:24 UH, THERE COULD BE SMALL

1:48:25 FACILITIES OF A FEW MEGAWATTS

1:48:27 THAT ARE MAYBE NOT KNOWN ABOUT,

1:48:29 BUT I DON'T EXPECT TO FIND ANY

1:48:30 LARGE DATA CENTER FACILITIES IN

1:48:33 BOSTON THAT.

1:48:33 THANK YOU.

1:48:33 YEAH.

1:48:34 IT'S HARD FOR ME TO WRAP MY

1:48:35 HEAD AROUND WHAT A FEW

1:48:36 MEGAWATTS EVEN MEANS.

1:48:37 SO, UM, TRISTAN.

1:48:38 UM.

1:48:39 I WANT TO APOLOGIZE.

1:48:40 I'M GOING TO HAVE TO STEP OUT

1:48:41 TO CATCH A FLIGHT FOR A

1:48:43 CONFERENCE ON DATA CENTERS.

1:48:44 UM, I WANTED TO JUST MAKE, UH,

1:48:45 TWO POINTS BEFORE I LEAVE.

1:48:47 UH.

1:48:47 ONE IS AGAIN, AS WE THINK ABOUT

1:48:49 THE QUESTION OF WHAT THE RISK

1:48:50 IS TO BOSTON, THERE ARE NO

1:48:51 CURRENT MAJOR PROPOSALS, BUT WE

1:48:53 DO HAVE THE LARGER SALES AND

1:48:54 USE TAX EXEMPTION AND THERE HAS

1:48:56 BEEN TONS OF INTEREST SUBMITTED

1:48:57 TO THE UTILITIES.

1:48:58 SO I'M SPEAKING WITH EVERSOURCE

1:49:00 NATIONAL GRID AND UNTIL THEY'VE

1:49:01 GOTTEN ALMOST 5000MW OF DATA

1:49:04 CENTER PROPOSALS THOSE AREN'T

1:49:06 ALL REAL.

1:49:06 THEY LIKE TO SHOP AROUND BUT

1:49:08 THAT'S MULTIPLES OF WHAT IT

1:49:09 TAKES TO POWER ALL THE HOMES IN

1:49:11 OUR STATE.

1:49:11 AND SO WE JUST WANT TO BE

1:49:13 MINDFUL OF BEING PROACTIVE AND

1:49:14 PART OF THE WAY WE TRY TO DO

1:49:15 THAT.

1:49:16 TO ANSWER A QUESTION THAT

1:49:17 COUNCILOR WEBER ASKED EARLIER,

1:49:18 WHAT ADVOCACY CAN YOU ALL DO TO

1:49:20 THE STATE LEGISLATURE?

1:49:20 WE AS ADVOCATES HAVE BEEN

1:49:22 WORKING UH WITH SENATOR HOWARD

1:49:24 AND SHE HAD SOME AMENDMENT

1:49:25 LANGUAGE THAT WE HAVE BEEN

1:49:27 TRYING TO ADVANCE THROUGH THE

1:49:29 UM ENERGY BILL AND CURRENTLY

1:49:30 THE HOUSE HAS PASSED SOME

1:49:32 LANGUAGE THAT WOULD REQUIRE 85%

1:49:34 CLEAN ENERGY GENERATION AND

1:49:36 PROTECTING COSTS TO RATEPAYERS.

1:49:38 THE SENATE HAS PASSED A

1:49:39 SOMEWHAT BROADER SET

1:49:41 OF PROTECTIONS BUT HAS TIED IT

1:49:42 TO THE SALES AND USE TAX

1:49:43 EXEMPTION.

1:49:44 SO WHAT WE BELIEVE IS THAT ALL

1:49:46 DATA CENTERS WHETHER OR NOT YOU

1:49:47 ACCEPT THE BRIBE OF A TAX AS A

1:49:49 TAX EXEMPTION YOU STILL MEET

1:49:51 HIGH STANDARDS.

1:49:51 AND SO WE WANT TO SEE A

1:49:53 COMBINATION OF SENATOR HOWARD'S

1:49:54 AMENDMENT LANGUAGE 62 UH, WITH

1:49:57 THE HOUSE'S BROADER APPROACH.

1:49:58 THAT'S VERY HELPFUL.

1:49:59 AND TRISTAN, THANK YOU FOR

1:50:01 PROVERBIALLY BEING AT THE TABLE

1:50:02 WITH US AND I HOPE YOU HAVE A

1:50:03 SAFE FLIGHT.

1:50:04 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

1:50:05 SO WE'RE GOING TO GO TO

1:50:06 COUNCILOR WEBER.

1:50:06 UM, YOU HAVE FIVE MINUTES.

1:50:08 SURE.

1:50:09 UH, PROFESSOR.

1:50:11 AM I PRONOUNCING THAT RIGHT?

1:50:12 NOT TOO SURE.

1:50:13 YES.

1:50:13 SORRY.

1:50:14 UM UH, SO JUST.

1:50:16 IN TERMS.

1:50:17 OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IN

1:50:18 TERMS OF THE FUTURE, I THINK A

1:50:19 LOT OF THE YOU KNOW, SORT

1:50:22 OF THE ANXIETY IS LIKE THE EYE

1:50:24 IS REALLY YOU KNOW, SORT OF ON

1:50:26 THE SCENE AND IT'S NEW AND

1:50:27 SEEMS TO BE GROWING

1:50:28 EXPONENTIALLY AND UM, YOU KNOW

1:50:31 ,SO WHAT DO YOU THINK LIKE

1:50:32 FIVE YEARS FROM NOW LIKE WHAT

1:50:34 ARE WE I READ ONE STUDY THAT WE

1:50:37 WERE GOING TO DOUBLE OUR DATA

1:50:38 CENTER CAPACITY IN THE COUNTRY

1:50:41 UH, IN THE NEXT 4 OR 5 YEARS.

1:50:44 IS THAT BUT YOU KNOW, DO YOU

1:50:46 THINK WHAT DO YOU THINK WE'RE

1:50:48 GOING TO BE SEEING IN TERMS

1:50:49 OF DATA CENTERS?

1:50:50 YES, WE ARE SEEING TREMENDOUS

1:50:52 UH, DEMAND UH, FOR AI DATA

1:50:54 CENTERS WITH AI GROWTH.

1:50:56 UM.

1:50:56 IT'S COMPLETELY UNFORESEEN

1:50:58 AND THE NUMBERS UM YOU QUOTED

1:51:00 ARE RIGHT THAT THE THE

1:51:02 EXPECTATION IS TO DOUBLE UH, IN

1:51:05 THE NEXT FEW YEARS UH, THE

1:51:06 TOTAL CAPACITY OF DATA CENTERS

1:51:09 UH, THIS IS BECAUSE AI IS

1:51:10 BECOMING VERY PERVASIVE.

1:51:12 UM, AND UM IT'S INCREASINGLY

1:51:14 BEING USED IN A LOT

1:51:16 OF DIFFERENT APPLICATIONS,

1:51:16 DIFFERENT SECTORS.

1:51:18 AND I ALSO CONSUMES UM I MEAN

1:51:21 NEEDS TO DO A LOT OF MASS

1:51:23 BASICALLY A LOT

1:51:24 OF COMPUTATIONS.

1:51:25 THEREFORE THE RESOURCES IT

1:51:26 REQUIRES IS LARGER THAN THE

1:51:28 COMPUTE NEED TO BE TYPICALLY

1:51:29 HAD OR DONE.

1:51:30 UM, OVER THE IN THE PAST.

1:51:33 AND I GUESS.

1:51:34 IS THERE ANY HOPE THAT ALL THAT

1:51:36 DATA AND THE AI YOU KNOW WILL

1:51:38 WILL INCREASE THE EFFICIENCY?

1:51:40 YOU KNOW, LIKE THE ENERGY

1:51:41 EFFICIENCY OF THE DATA CENTERS

1:51:43 THEMSELVES?

1:51:43 YES OR NO?

1:51:45 SO ENERGY EFFICIENCY A COUPLE

1:51:46 OF THINGS ONE ENERGY EFFICIENCY

1:51:47 IS GOING TO INCREASE.

1:51:49 UH IT ALWAYS DOES WITH HARDWARE

1:51:50 WITH SOFTWARE WE ALWAYS MANAGE

1:51:52 TO MAKE OUR COMPUTER SYSTEMS

1:51:54 BETTER.

1:51:54 BUT TYPICALLY EFFICIENCY

1:51:56 DOESN'T NECESSARILY CURB THE

1:51:58 DEMAND.

1:51:59 UH BECAUSE WHEN WE MAKE MORE

1:52:00 EFFICIENT USE OF OUR COMPUTING

1:52:01 WE FIND MORE USES TO APPLY IT

1:52:03 EVERYWHERE.

1:52:05 UM, WE SEE TREMENDOUS DEMAND

1:52:07 GROWTH.

1:52:07 UH, THIS IS WHY I'M WORKING ON

1:52:09 SPECIFICALLY POWER FLEXIBILITY

1:52:11 BECAUSE WHEN YOU LOOK INTO THE

1:52:12 POWER GRID TODAY IT'S NOT LIKE

1:52:14 THERE ISN'T POWER.

1:52:16 THERE IS POWER.

1:52:17 UM, MOST OF THE TIME OUR POWER

1:52:19 GRID IS UTILIZED 30 TO 50% UM

1:52:22 OF ITS CAPACITY BUT THERE ARE

1:52:25 SMALL NUMBER OF HOURS EVERY

1:52:27 YEAR WHERE WE HIT THE PEAK.

1:52:29 UH, TYPICAL EXAMPLE IS HOT

1:52:31 SUMMER DAY IN A HOT AREA OR

1:52:32 COLD WINTER DAY.

1:52:34 UM, WE HAVE ELECTRIFIED HEATING

1:52:36 HERE, RIGHT?

1:52:37 SO THOSE FEW NUMBER OF HOURS IT

1:52:40 ANNUALLY IS THE TIME WE HIT THE

1:52:42 PEAK NOW THE GRID UPGRADES USED

1:52:44 TO HAPPEN.

1:52:45 UH, ASSUMING DATA CENTERS CAN

1:52:46 CONSUME ALL THE CAPACITY THAT

1:52:49 THEY HAVE IF IT'S A 100

1:52:50 MEGAWATT IS CAN CONSUME 100MW.

1:52:52 THIS IS THE OLD MODEL THAT WE

1:52:54 NEED TO CHANGE BECAUSE IT

1:52:57 REQUIRES DOING VERY EXPENSIVE

1:52:58 GRID UPGRADES.

1:52:59 SO WE CAN USE THE AVAILABLE

1:53:01 POWER WE HAVE TODAY IN A MUCH

1:53:02 BETTER WAY.

1:53:03 SO THAT'S WHY THE DEMAND IS

1:53:05 THERE.

1:53:05 THE EFFICIENCY WILL COME THAT'S

1:53:07 STILL GOING TO UM THERE'S STILL

1:53:10 GOING TO BE SUBSTANTIAL DEMAND.

1:53:12 SO WE NEED TO CHANGE HOW WE

1:53:13 POWER DATA CENTERS.

1:53:14 THAT'S WHAT I BELIEVE IN AND

1:53:16 THAT'S WHAT I UH, HAVE BEEN

1:53:18 SEEING THAT IT'S POSSIBLE UM,

1:53:20 BASICALLY TO CHANGE HOW WE

1:53:21 POWER OUR DATA CENTERS.

1:53:23 AND JUST ON THE TOPIC

1:53:24 OF EFFICIENCY, IF I COULD, UM,

1:53:26 YOU KNOW, JUST UM WE HAVE A

1:53:27 NUMBER OF EXISTING POLICIES

1:53:28 HERE IN THE CITY OF BOSTON THAT

1:53:30 ARE QUITE UNIQUE COMPARED TO

1:53:31 OTHER CITIES AND I'M THINKING

1:53:33 NOTABLY ABOUT BERTO ABOUT OUR

1:53:34 NET ZERO ZONING CODE ARTICLE 37

1:53:37 AND THEN THE SPECIALIZED ENERGY

1:53:38 CODE.

1:53:39 SO THE COMBINATION OF ALL THESE

1:53:40 THINGS MEANS ANY NEW

1:53:42 CONSTRUCTION OF ANY KIND,

1:53:43 INCLUDING DATA CENTERS ARE

1:53:44 GOING TO BE HIGHLY ENERGY

1:53:46 EFFICIENT AND THEY'RE REQUIRED

1:53:47 TO BE NET ZERO EMISSIONS ON DAY

1:53:50 ONE IF THEY'RE BUILT NOW.

1:53:52 SO UH, THAT WOULD PUT THESE NEW

1:53:53 CONSTRUCTIONS SUBSTANTIALLY

1:53:54 EVEN MORE EFFICIENT THAN THE

1:53:56 EXISTING DATA CENTERS THAT

1:53:57 ALREADY EXIST IN THE CITY.

1:53:58 UM, AND I THINK THOSE ARE THAT

1:54:00 IS A UNIQUE THING ABOUT BOSTON

1:54:02 AND A SMALL NUMBER OF OTHER

1:54:03 CITIES NATIONALLY.

1:54:05 OKAY.

1:54:06 UH, YES YES, YES.

1:54:08 SO THE OUTLOOK ON DATA CENTERS

1:54:11 AND AI IS YOU KNOW, THERE'S

1:54:13 GOING TO BE A LOT OF THIS STUFF

1:54:15 HAPPENING.

1:54:15 BUT REMEMBER EVERY BOOM HAS A

1:54:18 BUST AND WHEN THAT BUST HAPPENS

1:54:21 IT'S THE CITY OF BOSTON AND ITS

1:54:24 RESIDENTS THAT WILL BE LEFT

1:54:26 DEALING WITH DECOMMISSIONING.

1:54:28 SO IT'S IMPORTANT EVEN AS YOU

1:54:31 THINK UH ABOUT THE FUTURE

1:54:33 YOU'LL ASK YOURSELVES OF WHO

1:54:35 WILL TAKE CARE OF THAT.

1:54:38 UH, DATA CENTER WHEN THE OWNERS

1:54:43 PACK UP, UH, AND GO.

1:54:45 WELL, YEAH, I GUESS SO.

1:54:47 MAYBE MICHELLE AND MARY MY

1:54:49 QUESTION JUST LOOKING AT THIS

1:54:50 ON A STRICTLY, YOU KNOW,

1:54:52 MUNICIPAL BASIS THAT I CAN

1:54:55 UNDERSTAND WHY WE DO THAT BUT

1:54:56 LIKE IF IF LOWELL BANS DATA

1:54:59 CENTERS BUT CHELMSFORD PUTS IN

1:55:03 5 OR 6 YOU KNOW I GET IT.

1:55:04 DOESN'T THAT HAVE AN IMPACT ON

1:55:06 LOWELL?

1:55:08 UM AND AND SO SO SHOULD WE BE

1:55:11 LOOKING MORE AT THE STATE OR

1:55:12 YOU KNOW, UH I DON'T KNOW HOW

1:55:15 TO THINK ABOUT THIS ISSUE IN

1:55:17 LIGHT OF THAT.

1:55:18 YOU CAN START MARY.

1:55:19 OKAY.

1:55:20 SO, UH, YOU HAVE TO

1:55:22 UNDERSTAND I'M ONE OF THE TEN

1:55:23 PEOPLE THAT SUED THE DEPARTMENT

1:55:25 OF ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION.

1:55:26 SO I DON'T HAVE A LOT

1:55:28 OF CONFIDENCE IN THE STATE AND,

1:55:31 UH, MY FIRM BELIEF IS THAT A

1:55:35 CITY NEEDS TO BE VERY WELL

1:55:39 FORTIFIED FOR THE PROTECTION

1:55:41 OF ITS OWN PEOPLE.

1:55:43 THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT, UH, WE

1:55:46 ARE NOT WORKING OR WE WILL NOT

1:55:48 TRY TO MAKE SURE THE STATE HAS

1:55:50 THE RIGHT LAWS.

1:55:52 BUT I THINK THAT WHEN IT COMES

1:55:54 TO THIS, UH, ANY TYPE

1:55:57 OF INDUSTRIAL GROWTH IN YOUR

1:56:00 CITY, THE CITY NEEDS TO BE

1:56:02 STRONG AND FIRM.

1:56:04 AND THAT'S WHY THE EXECUTIVE

1:56:06 ORDER THAT THE GOVERNOR SIGNED

1:56:09 ,UH, MADE A LOT OF US HAPPY

1:56:12 BECAUSE IT SAID THAT MORE POWER

1:56:15 YOU KNOW, THE LOCAL PEOPLE ARE

1:56:17 THE ONES WHO ARE FAST.

1:56:19 IF THEY DON'T WANT IT, THEN IT

1:56:21 WILL NOT HAPPEN.

1:56:22 WHICH MEANS THAT IF WE WANT

1:56:25 DEVELOPMENT EVEN OF DATA

1:56:27 CENTERS THEN WE HAVE TO DO IT

1:56:29 RIGHT.

1:56:29 AND THE MUNICIPALITIES THE ONE

1:56:31 THAT LEADS OKAY.

1:56:33 YEAH THAT'S THE ONE.

1:56:35 THING I.

1:56:38 I THINK.

1:56:38 I'M SORRY.

1:56:39 CAN YOU TURN ON THIS?

1:56:40 I'M SORRY.

1:56:41 WE JUST WE HAVE NO.

1:56:42 YEAH.

1:56:43 OKAY.

1:56:43 THE PRESS THE ON BUT I'M NOT

1:56:45 SURE IS THIS ONE OKAY?

1:56:48 UM, ONE THING THAT I WOULD ADD

1:56:50 TO THAT IN TERMS OF PROTECTIONS

1:56:52 FOR RATEPAYERS FOR INCREASING

1:56:54 UH, ELECTRICITY COSTS WITH UM

1:56:58 DEMAND INCREASING USE FROM UH

1:57:01 DATA CENTERS AND I THAT THAT

1:57:02 THE CITY COULD UM HAVE

1:57:06 CONVERSATIONS AND PARTNER WITH

1:57:07 UH THE DPU ON IS LARGE LOAD

1:57:10 TARIFFS.

1:57:11 UM AND I CAN JUST GO OVER

1:57:13 QUICKLY WHAT THE DEFINITION

1:57:14 OF THAT IS.

1:57:15 SO THERE ARE REGULAR UH,

1:57:17 REGULATORY APPROVED RATE

1:57:19 STRUCTURES FOR LARGE ELECTRIC

1:57:20 CUSTOMERS THAT ENSURE THAT THEY

1:57:23 ARE PAYING UH THE COSTS FOR

1:57:25 THAT INFRASTRUCTURE.

1:57:26 AND THIS IS ALSO, UM,

1:57:28 PARTICULARLY A GOOD PROTECTION

1:57:30 FOR UM, SPECULATIVE UH, DATA

1:57:34 CENTER PROJECTS.

1:57:35 UH, TO MARY'S POINT ABOUT THE

1:57:37 BOOM HAPPENING RIGHT NOW.

1:57:39 UM, WE DEFINITELY WOULD WANT

1:57:40 THE CITY TO BE PROTECTED, UM,

1:57:43 FOR MANY PROPOSED PROJECTS.

1:57:45 WHICH ULTIMATELY UH.

1:57:48 DID NOT GO THROUGH OR DID NOT

1:57:51 UH USE THE AMOUNT OF POWER THAT

1:57:53 THEY PROJECTED AND PAY FOR THAT

1:57:55 IN ADVANCE SO THAT UH, THOSE

1:57:57 IMPACTS AREN'T BEING PASSED ON

1:57:59 TO RATEPAYERS WHEN WE KNOW, UH,

1:58:02 BOSTONIANS AND RESIDENTS ACROSS

1:58:03 THE COMMONWEALTH WHERE RIGHT

1:58:04 NOW ARE REALLY STRUGGLING WITH

1:58:06 ENERGY COSTS AS ONE OF THE TOP

1:58:08 CONCERNS.

1:58:10 OKAY THANK YOU THANK YOU CHAIR.

1:58:11 THANK YOU.

1:58:12 AND UM I'M GOING TO LET

1:58:14 COUNCILOR CULPEPER ASK YOU AS

1:58:15 ONE FOLLOW UP QUESTION AND THEN

1:58:16 WE'RE GOING TO GO TO THE REST

1:58:18 OF.

1:58:18 THE COUNCIL.

1:58:19 CAN I HAD ONE QUESTION.

1:58:21 FOR YOU CONCERNING YOUR

1:58:23 RESEARCH.

1:58:24 ON TECHNOLOGIES AND I THINK

1:58:26 THEY HELP DATA CENTERS MANAGE

1:58:28 YOUR ELECTRICITY DEMAND MORE

1:58:31 EFFICIENTLY EVEN.

1:58:33 IF THE FACILITIES WERE.

1:58:34 ABLE TO MANAGE THE

1:58:37 ELECTRICITY MORE EFFICIENTLY,

1:58:39 ISN'T THERE STILL A RISK

1:58:41 OF EXPANSION OF DATA CENTERS

1:58:43 THAT WILL CONTINUE TO DRIVE UP

1:58:45 OVERALL ELECTRICITY

1:58:46 CONSUMPTION?

1:58:48 UM.

1:58:50 SO UH, EFFICIENCY IS

1:58:51 IMPORTANT BUT UH, WHAT I'VE

1:58:53 BEEN PARTICULARLY WORKING ON IS

1:58:55 FLEXIBILITY AND UH THE MODEL

1:58:57 USED TO BE THAT WE GIVE DATA

1:59:00 CENTER 100MW AND WE NEED TO

1:59:01 SUPPORT THAT AT ANY TIME IT

1:59:03 ONCE IT CAN CONSUME THAT 100

1:59:05 MEGAWATT.

1:59:06 THIS BRINGS A LOT OF COST

1:59:07 BECAUSE NEW GENERATION

1:59:08 TRANSMISSION DISTRIBUTION HAS

1:59:09 TO BE BUILT.

1:59:10 IT'S EXPENSIVE AND IT'S UM.

1:59:13 CAN BE I MEAN IF ON THIS

1:59:15 TARIFFS ARE PUT IN PLACE ALL

1:59:17 THIS COST CAN BE REFLECTED TO

1:59:18 THE RATEPAYERS NOW INSTEAD IF

1:59:21 WE HAVE POWER LET'S SAY 99%

1:59:24 OF THE TIME WE ACTUALLY POWER

1:59:25 IN THE GRID FOR A 50 MEGAWATT

1:59:28 DATA CENTER.

1:59:29 UH WE CAN SAY OKAY, YOU KNOW,

1:59:32 YOU CAN HAVE 50MW OF.

1:59:34 UM OR 40 MEGAWATT OF FOREIGN

1:59:37 POWER BUT TEN MEGAWATTS

1:59:39 OF FLEXIBLE POWER WHICH THE

1:59:41 UTILITY OR THE INDEPENDENT

1:59:43 SERVICE OPERATOR CAN TAKE IT

1:59:45 AWAY DURING THESE STRESS TIMES.

1:59:46 SO THAT'S A NEW WAY OF LOOKING

1:59:48 INTO DATA CENTER OPERATION.

1:59:50 UH, YOU MIGHT HAVE HEARD

1:59:52 OF DEMAND RESPONSE BASICALLY

1:59:54 THIS IS SIMILAR CONCEPT.

1:59:55 WELL THE CONSUMER ADJUSTS

1:59:57 ELECTRICITY WHEN THERE IS

1:59:59 HIGHER USE IN THE GRID.

2:00:00 NOW WHY IS THIS A NEW FORM?

2:00:02 BECAUSE DATA CENTERS MOST

2:00:04 OF THE TIME 9,899% OF THE TIME

2:00:07 CAN SERVE THEIR CUSTOMERS

2:00:09 BUSINESS AS USUAL BUT THE FEW

2:00:11 PERCENT OF THE TIME WHEN THE

2:00:12 GRID NEEDS IT MOST THEN THEY

2:00:14 CAN LOWER THEIR CONSUMPTION.

2:00:16 THEY HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY TO DO

2:00:17 THAT.

2:00:18 A LOT OF COMPUTE LOAD IS NOT

2:00:19 URGENT THEY CAN BE TEMPORARILY

2:00:21 SUSPENDED OR SLOWED DOWN.

2:00:23 SO THIS IS THE KIND

2:00:24 OF TECHNOLOGY WE ARE BUILDING.

2:00:26 SO OVERALL UM FOR THIS TO

2:00:28 HAPPEN OF COURSE THE NECESSARY

2:00:30 PROGRAMS POLICIES NEED TO BE

2:00:32 PUT IN PLACE AND TO ENSURE THAT

2:00:34 DATA DATA CENTER OPERATES

2:00:37 WITHIN UH THEY'RE ALLOWED POWER

2:00:38 NUMBERS UH, THE MEASUREMENT

2:00:41 VERIFICATION UM ESSENTIALLY

2:00:44 SYSTEMS NEED TO BE PUT IN

2:00:45 PLACE.

2:00:46 UH, SO ALL OF THIS IS POSSIBLE

2:00:48 UM, LIKE I MENTIONED BROADLY IN

2:00:50 THE UNITED STATES IN A VARIETY

2:00:52 OF AREAS, UH, UTILITIES ARE

2:00:53 LOOKING INTO FLEXIBLE

2:00:55 INTERCONNECTION PROGRAMS.

2:00:57 UM, SOME REGULATORY BODIES ARE

2:00:59 LOOKING INTO HOW TO MAKE THIS

2:01:00 HAPPEN, ESPECIALLY FOR LARGE

2:01:02 DATA CENTERS, ESPECIALLY IN

2:01:04 AREAS WHERE THERE'S A LOT

2:01:05 OF THE DATA CENTERS UM, DEMAND

2:01:08 UH LEADING IN THE QUEUES.

2:01:09 BUT WE CAN ALSO THINK ABOUT

2:01:11 WHEN WE ARE THINKING ABOUT

2:01:13 BOSTON'S POTENTIAL DATA CENTERS

2:01:15 GROWTH.

2:01:16 WE CAN THINK ABOUT HOW WE CAN

2:01:17 FROM THE FROM DAY ONE, HOW WE

2:01:20 CAN MAKE THEM EFFICIENT, HOW WE

2:01:21 CAN MAKE THEM RESPONSIBLE, HOW

2:01:23 WE CAN MAKE THEM GRID, UH,

2:01:25 RESPONSIVE ASSETS SO THAT THEY

2:01:27 DON'T BREAK THE GRID.

2:01:28 INSTEAD THEY PROVIDE RESILIENCE

2:01:30 .

2:01:30 TO THE GOVERNMENTS AND

2:01:31 CONSUMERS.

2:01:31 WHERE PROTECTIONS ARE NEEDED TO

2:01:34 ENSURE THAT CONSUMERS AND SMALL

2:01:36 BUSINESSES ARE NOT PAYING FOR

2:01:39 THE RESULTING, UH,

2:01:41 INFRASTRUCTURE UPGRADES.

2:01:43 SO I MEAN, IT GOES BEYOND MY.

2:01:44 UM, EXPERTISE IN TERMS OF HOW

2:01:46 TO PRICE ELECTRICITY.

2:01:48 UM, BUT GENERALLY SPEAKING.

2:01:49 WHAT PROTECTIONS.

2:01:51 FOR PROTECTIONS FOR THE

2:01:53 RATEPAYERS, YOU MEAN RIGHT.

2:01:53 YEAH.

2:01:54 SO UM SO LIKE I WAS SAYING MY

2:01:56 SPECIALTY IS NOT DEVELOPING

2:01:57 TARIFFS BUT IN GENERAL WHAT WE

2:01:59 ARE SEEING ACROSS UM THE US AND

2:02:01 GLOBALLY IS THAT ARE

2:02:03 SUGGESTIONS TO REFLECT SOME

2:02:04 OF THIS INFRASTRUCTURE COST TO

2:02:06 DATA CENTER COMPANIES.

2:02:08 UM, SO GENERALLY SPEAKING

2:02:11 AFFORDABILITY IS AN IMPORTANT

2:02:12 PIECE AND AGAIN LIKE IF WE USE

2:02:15 THE AVAILABLE UH INFRASTRUCTURE

2:02:17 WE HAVE TODAY BETTER AND REDUCE

2:02:19 THE NEED OF COSTLY

2:02:21 INFRASTRUCTURE UPDATES, THAT'S

2:02:22 ALSO IMPORTANT.

2:02:25 SO UH WHEN WE CHANGE HOW WE

2:02:27 POWER DATA CENTERS, WE DON'T

2:02:29 NEED TO RUSH TO BUILD A LOT

2:02:31 OF COSTLY INFRASTRUCTURE

2:02:32 UPGRADES.

2:02:33 WE CAN USE THE AVAILABLE POWER

2:02:34 WE HAVE BETTER AND DO BETTER,

2:02:37 MORE SUSTAINABLE, MORE PACED,

2:02:39 CHEAPER UH, GROWTH OF THE POWER

2:02:41 GRID.

2:02:42 UH, AT THE SAME TIME TECHNOLOGY

2:02:44 THIS IS THE FOUNDATION OF THE

2:02:46 TECHNOLOGY BUT TARIFFS AND

2:02:48 PRICING AND HOW TO PROTECT

2:02:49 RATEPAYERS THAT NEED TO BE IN

2:02:51 PLACE.

2:02:51 LIKE I WAS SAYING THAT'S NOT

2:02:52 EXACTLY MY EXPERTISE.

2:02:54 UH, BUT CERTAINLY UH WE NEED TO

2:02:57 DESIGN THE NECESSARY UM,

2:02:59 FRAMEWORKS SO THAT ALL OF THIS

2:03:01 COST IS NOT PAID BY THE UH,

2:03:03 COMMUNITY.

2:03:05 UH UM.

2:03:07 I COULD ADD.

2:03:08 YEAH, I THINK WE'RE ABOUT DONE

2:03:10 WITH THIS PORTION JUST BECAUSE

2:03:11 WE'VE GONE UM WE'VE GONE A

2:03:13 LITTLE BIT OVER AND THERE'S

2:03:14 ACTUALLY CITY BOSTON LIKE A BIG

2:03:16 CITY OF BOSTON EVENT TONIGHT,

2:03:17 WHICH IS WHY MY COLLEAGUES HAVE

2:03:18 LEFT US.

2:03:19 UM, SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT

2:03:22 WE HAVE TIME FOR PUBLIC

2:03:22 TESTIMONY.

2:03:24 UM, BUT IF YOU GUYS HAVE ANY

2:03:25 ADDITIONAL TESTIMONY, WE WILL

2:03:27 STILL BE ACCEPTING TESTIMONY

2:03:29 UNTIL YOU KNOW THE END OF TIME.

2:03:31 SO FEEL FREE TO EMAIL MY

2:03:33 COMMITTEE EMAIL AND WE'LL MAKE

2:03:34 SURE THAT IT GETS INTO THE

2:03:35 RECORD.

2:03:35 BUT I KNOW SOME OF OUR UM,

2:03:37 FOLKS ONLINE HAVE BEEN WAITING

2:03:38 FOR A WHILE AND UM CYRIL

2:03:41 CLEMENT WE ARE READY FOR YOU

2:03:43 FOR TWO MINUTES.

2:03:46 AND THANK YOU SO MUCH TO OUR

2:03:49 PANEL FOR SPENDING TIME WITH US

2:03:50 TODAY.

2:03:51 UM AND THEN WE HAVE TWO TWO

2:03:53 FOLKS ONLINE I THINK KATE AND

2:03:57 CHATTEN GREEN SO OKAY.

2:03:59 PERFECT.

2:04:00 UM, YOU HAVE TWO MINUTES.

2:04:03 GOOD AFTERNOON, CHAIR DURKAN

2:04:04 AND MEMBERS OF THE CITY

2:04:05 COUNCIL.

2:04:06 MY NAME IS CYRIL CLEMENT AND

2:04:07 I'M A RESIDENT OF BOSTON AND

2:04:08 THE ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE

2:04:09 FELLOW AT THE MASSACHUSETTS

2:04:10 PUBLIC HEALTH ALLIANCE AS A

2:04:12 STATEWIDE PUBLIC HEALTH

2:04:14 ADVOCACY ORGANIZATION AND

2:04:16 STRONGLY SUPPORTS THE

2:04:17 PROHIBITION OF NEW DATA CENTERS

2:04:19 IN BOSTON AS DEFINED IN THE

2:04:20 PROPOSED ORDER.

2:04:21 THIS IS A CRUCIAL STEP WHILE WE

2:04:23 WORK ON UNDERSTANDING AND

2:04:25 MITIGATING THE RISK OF THIS NEW

2:04:26 TECHNOLOGY AND THE CONCERNS

2:04:28 THAT IT POSES TO OUR TO THE

2:04:29 HEALTH OF OUR COMMUNITIES.

2:04:30 OUR CONCERNS ABOUT DATA CENTERS

2:04:33 IRRESPECTIVE OF THEIR SIZE,

2:04:35 FOCUS ON THREE PRIMARY ISSUES

2:04:37 RISING UTILITY BILLS,

2:04:39 UNDERSTANDING THE CITY'S

2:04:40 RESPONSE, UNDERMINING THE

2:04:41 CITY'S RESPONSE TO CLIMATE

2:04:42 CHANGE AND THE HEALTH RISKS

2:04:44 THAT WILL OUTLIVE DATA CENTERS

2:04:45 .

2:04:45 FIRST, IT IS CLEAR THAT DATA

2:04:48 CENTERS EXACERBATE THE

2:04:49 AFFORDABILITY CRISIS THAT IS

2:04:50 HITTING OUR CITY BY DRIVING UP

2:04:53 ENERGY DEMANDS AND REQUIRING

2:04:54 SIGNIFICANT INFRASTRUCTURE

2:04:56 UPGRADES.

2:04:56 DATA CENTERS CONTRIBUTE TO

2:04:58 RISING UTILITY BILLS AT NIGHT.

2:05:00 WE KNOW THAT PEOPLE WILL BE

2:05:01 FORCED TO MAKE IMPOSSIBLE

2:05:02 CHOICES BETWEEN PAYING THESE

2:05:04 BILLS, PUTTING FOOD ON THE

2:05:05 TABLE, GETTING THE HEALTH CARE

2:05:06 THEY NEED AND SPENDING TIME

2:05:08 WITH LOVED ONES.

2:05:09 SECOND, AS BOSTON FACES

2:05:11 INCREASINGLY FREQUENT CLIMATE

2:05:12 DISASTERS SUCH AS HEATWAVES,

2:05:14 SNOWSTORMS AND DROUGHTS, IT

2:05:15 MUST CONSIDER HOW THE EXCESSIVE

2:05:17 ENERGY AND WATER CONSUMPTION IN

2:05:18 DATA CENTERS WILL HARM OUR

2:05:20 ABILITY TO RESPOND.

2:05:21 SEEING DATA CENTERS FLOURISH

2:05:23 WHILE POWER OUTAGES AND WATER

2:05:24 SHORTAGES OCCUR IN OUR CITY

2:05:26 WOULD BE DEVASTATING.

2:05:27 FINALLY, THE CURRENT AI BOOM IS

2:05:29 BUILT ON SPECULATION AND LOFTY

2:05:31 PROMISES ABOUT TECH BASED

2:05:32 FUTURES.

2:05:33 AS TECHNOLOGY RAPIDLY ADVANCES

2:05:34 ,DATA CENTERS CAN QUICKLY

2:05:35 BECOME OBSOLETE AND IT'S

2:05:37 DIFFICULT TO REPURPOSE THESE

2:05:38 SITES.

2:05:39 WHILE THESE CORPORATIONS MOVE

2:05:41 ON TO THE NEXT BIG IDEA,

2:05:42 COMMUNITIES WILL CONTINUE TO

2:05:43 PAY FOR ABANDONED DATA CENTERS

2:05:44 THROUGH EXPOSURE TO POLLUTION,

2:05:46 TOXIC WASTE AND FOREVER

2:05:47 CHEMICALS IS SKEPTICAL THAT

2:05:50 DATA CENTERS WILL CREATE A

2:05:51 PROSPEROUS FUTURE FOR ALL.

2:05:52 AND BELIEVE THAT THEY SHOULD NO

2:05:54 LONGER BE ALLOWED TO DIVERT

2:05:55 RESOURCES AWAY FROM THINGS THAT

2:05:57 WILL SUCH AS HEALTH CARE,

2:05:59 HOUSING, FOOD, PUBLIC TRANSIT

2:06:00 AND HEALTHY ENVIRONMENTS TO

2:06:02 PREVENT RISING UTILITY BILLS,

2:06:04 IMPROVE CLIMATE RESILIENCE AND

2:06:05 PREVENT THEIR LONG TERM HEALTH

2:06:07 RISKS.

2:06:07 WE URGE THIS COMMITTEE TO

2:06:09 PROHIBIT NEW DATA CENTERS IN

2:06:10 BOSTON.

2:06:10 THANK YOU.

2:06:11 THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR

2:06:13 TESTIMONY.

2:06:14 KATE RICHARD IS ON VIRTUAL.

2:06:24 YOU HAVE TWO MINUTES.

2:06:25 KATE.

2:06:29 HELLO.

2:06:30 THANK YOU.

2:06:31 BOSTON CITY COUNCIL FOR TAKING

2:06:33 PUBLIC TESTIMONY.

2:06:34 I STAND HERE BEFORE YOU AS A

2:06:37 CAUTIONARY TALE FROM THE CITY

2:06:39 OF BROCKTON WHEN IN THE LATE

2:06:41 90S THEY DEREGULATED THE POWER

2:06:44 PLANT, UH, ELECTRIC GENERATING,

2:06:46 UM, BUSINESS MODEL.

2:06:48 UM, DATA CENTERS ARE THAT NEXT

2:06:51 TYPE OF WILD WEST SPECULATIVE

2:06:54 DEVELOPMENT?

2:06:54 UM, I THINK CONDITIONAL ZONING

2:06:57 ,UM, CAREFULLY DONE IS NEEDED

2:06:59 .

2:06:59 FROM WHAT I'VE HEARD AT TODAY'S

2:07:01 MEETING IT WAS VERY

2:07:03 EDUCATIONAL.

2:07:03 I THINK THAT ENVIRONMENTAL

2:07:05 JUSTICE COMMUNITIES NEED TO BE

2:07:08 EXCLUDED.

2:07:08 I THINK THE OVERLAY OF YOUR

2:07:10 BUSINESS DISTRICTS NEED TO LOOK

2:07:12 AT.

2:07:12 AND THE THIRD POINT I HAVE UM.

2:07:15 UNFORTUNATELY TISH WON'T BE

2:07:16 HAPPY.

2:07:16 BE VERY CAREFUL OF GIVING

2:07:18 HOSPITALS A FREE PASS.

2:07:20 THE CITY OF BROCKTON ALSO HAD A

2:07:22 PREDATORY VENTURE DEVELOPMENT

2:07:23 CAPITAL GROUP COME IN AND STRIP

2:07:25 ASSETS FROM HOSPITALS.

2:07:28 HOSPITALS ARE POISED NOW

2:07:29 NEEDING TO USE MORE AND MORE

2:07:31 OF THESE TYPES OF AI GENERATING

2:07:35 UM TECHNOLOGIES THAT THEY CAN

2:07:36 BUY AND SELL TO EACH OTHER.

2:07:38 AND ALSO THE PHARMACEUTICAL

2:07:41 INDUSTRY PEOPLE WILL BE LOOKING

2:07:43 FOR THIS TYPE OF ACCESS.

2:07:44 UM, USING SMART GRID TECHNOLOGY

2:07:47 IS AN EXCELLENT WAY.

2:07:49 UH, FROM WHAT I'VE SEEN.

2:07:51 BUT AT THE SAME TIME IT ALL

2:07:53 STARTS WITH ZONING.

2:07:54 WHEN I ASK TIME AND TIME AGAIN

2:07:56 WHY THESE, UM, MAKE IT WAS A

2:08:00 350 MEGAWATT POWER PLANT WAS

2:08:01 PUT BEING PUT NEXT TO A SCHOOL

2:08:03 WITH KIDS WITH ASTHMA.

2:08:05 IT ALL CAME DOWN TO ZONING AND

2:08:07 BROCKTON HAD SOME INTRICATE

2:08:09 ZONING.

2:08:10 YOU CAN PUT IT HERE.

2:08:11 YOU CAN YOU KNOW THIS THAT AND

2:08:12 THE OTHER THING BUT CITY

2:08:13 OF BOSTON DO YOUR HOMEWORK.

2:08:15 UH, THINK ABOUT ALL OF THE

2:08:18 IMPACTS AND THE NEEDS

2:08:19 ASSESSMENT NOT JUST FOR THE

2:08:20 GRID, UM, BUT ALSO FOR THE

2:08:22 HUMAN BEINGS THAT ARE LIVING IN

2:08:24 AND AMONG YOUR BEAUTIFUL CITY.

2:08:27 THANK YOU.

2:08:28 RIGHT ON TIME.

2:08:29 THANK YOU SO MUCH.

2:08:31 UM.

2:08:32 CHAT AND GREEN.

2:08:48 WHEN I SAY OH, PERFECT.

2:08:49 OKAY.

2:08:51 YOU HAVE TWO MINUTES.

2:08:56 YEAH.

2:09:02 IS HE UNMUTED?

2:09:03 OKAY.

2:09:04 I THINK YOU'RE MUTED.

2:09:07 YOU CAN UNMUTE.

2:09:13 OKAY I GOT IT.

2:09:14 THANK YOU.

2:09:14 MY APOLOGIES.

2:09:16 PERFECT PERFECT.

2:09:17 GOOD AFTERNOON.

2:09:18 GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYONE.

2:09:20 MY NAME IS SHORT ON GREEN.

2:09:22 I'M A BOSTON RESIDENT, A PROUD

2:09:24 ROXBURY RESIDENT AND THE AGENT

2:09:26 REPRESENTATIVE FOR THE BOSTON

2:09:27 BUILDING TRADES UNIONS.

2:09:28 WE REPRESENT 35,000

2:09:30 CONSTRUCTION WORKERS ACROSS THE

2:09:31 REGION WHO BUILD, MAINTAIN AND

2:09:33 POWER OUR COMMUNITIES.

2:09:34 OUR UNIONS STRENGTHEN THE LOCAL

2:09:36 ECONOMY TO FAMILY SUSTAINING

2:09:38 WAGES, QUALITY BENEFITS,

2:09:40 APPRENTICESHIP AND TRAINING

2:09:41 PROGRAMS AND THE HIGHEST

2:09:43 STANDARDS UM, OF CONSTRUCTION

2:09:45 SAFETY.

2:09:46 WE BELIEVE IN RESPONSIBLE

2:09:47 ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT THAT

2:09:48 CREATES LASTING OPPORTUNITIES

2:09:50 FOR WORKING FAMILIES AND

2:09:51 STRENGTHENS OUR COMMUNITIES.

2:09:52 DATA CENTERS, DIGITAL

2:09:54 INFRASTRUCTURE OR WHATEVER NAME

2:09:55 WE USE ARE CRITICAL TO OUR

2:09:57 FUTURE.

2:09:57 THEY SUPPORT PATIENT RECORDS AT

2:09:59 OUR HOSPITALS, RESEARCH AND

2:10:00 EDUCATION AT OUR UNIVERSITIES,

2:10:03 EMS AND FIRST RESPONDERS,

2:10:05 PUBLIC TRANSIT, FINANCIAL

2:10:07 TRANSACTIONS AND THE TECHNOLOGY

2:10:09 WE RELY ON TO PLAN OUR DAILY

2:10:10 LIVES AND LONG TERM FUTURES.

2:10:12 THIS INFRASTRUCTURE IS

2:10:13 ESSENTIAL TO MODERN WORLD AND

2:10:15 WE DO NOT BELIEVE A MORATORIUM

2:10:16 IS THE ANSWER.

2:10:18 CONVERSATION, COLLABORATION AND

2:10:20 SMART POLICY ARE UM.

2:10:22 WE CANNOT TURN AWAY FROM

2:10:23 CONVERSATIONS AND HOPE SOMEONE

2:10:24 GETS THEM RIGHT.

2:10:25 WHO BETTER TO SHAPE THE FUTURE

2:10:27 OF OUR REGION THAN PEOPLE AND

2:10:28 COMMUNITIES WHO LIVE AND WORK

2:10:30 RIGHT HERE?

2:10:30 UH, IN ADDITION TO LARGE

2:10:32 INSTITUTIONS, MEDICINE AND

2:10:33 EDUCATION THIS INFRASTRUCTURE

2:10:34 MEANS WE CAN GET ON THE BUS IN

2:10:36 THE MORNING, GET TO SCHOOL AND

2:10:37 WORK AND TO OUR APPOINTMENTS ON

2:10:38 TIME.

2:10:39 IT MEANS WHEN YOU RUN OUT

2:10:40 OF MILK IN THE FRIDGE WE CAN

2:10:41 BUY SOME AT LOCAL STOP AND

2:10:42 SHOPS AND CORNER STORE OR

2:10:44 BODEGAS.

2:10:45 IT MEANS WE CAN BORROW A BOOK

2:10:46 FROM THE BOSTON PUBLIC LIBRARY

2:10:47 AND BE ABLE, UH, TO LOG ON TO

2:10:49 PUBLIC MEETINGS OR MORE.

2:10:50 UM, OUR EVERYDAY LIFE HAS

2:10:52 BECOME A RELY ON ITS

2:10:54 INFRASTRUCTURE.

2:10:54 DATA CENTERS DEVELOPMENT MUST

2:10:56 BE RESPONSIBLE AND DELIVER

2:10:58 TANGIBLE BENEFITS TO WORKERS

2:10:59 AND HOST COMMUNITIES.

2:11:00 THAT MEANS PRIORITIZING AND

2:11:01 LABOR, CREATING GOOD JOBS AND

2:11:03 APPRENTICESHIP OPPORTUNITIES,

2:11:05 BRINGING NEW CLEAN ENERGY

2:11:06 ONLINE TO MEET GROWING DEMAND

2:11:07 AND ENSURE DEVELOPERS PAY THEIR

2:11:09 FAIR SHARE OF ENERGY AND

2:11:11 INFRASTRUCTURE COSTS.

2:11:12 SO EXISTING RATEPAYERS ARE LEFT

2:11:14 FOOTING THE BILL.

2:11:15 WE APPLAUD GOVERNOR HALEY'S

2:11:16 APPROACH TO RESPONSIBLE

2:11:17 DEVELOPMENT AND LOCAL DECISION

2:11:18 MAKING, GIVING COMMUNITIES

2:11:19 MEANINGFUL VOICE AND SHAPING

2:11:22 PROJECTS THAT AFFECT THEIR

2:11:22 FUTURES.

2:11:23 OUR MEMBERS BUILD AND MAINTAIN

2:11:24 THIS INFRASTRUCTURE AND WE'RE

2:11:26 HERE TO HELP RESIDENTS AND

2:11:28 POLICYMAKERS UNDERSTAND WHY IT

2:11:29 MATTERS.

2:11:29 WHEN THE ISSUE AROSE, WE

2:11:31 IMMEDIATELY HER CONCERNS ABOUT

2:11:32 QUINN ABOUT HOW NEW POLICIES

2:11:34 MIGHT AFFECT PROJECTS EXPANDING

2:11:36 DATA STORAGE FOR WORLD CLASS

2:11:38 MEDICAL INSTITUTIONS AND

2:11:39 UNIVERSITIES.

2:11:40 THAT'S JUST ONE EXAMPLE OF HOW

2:11:42 FAR REACHING THIS CONVERSATION

2:11:43 IS.

2:11:44 EVERYONE IN THIS CHAMBER RELIES

2:11:45 ON DIGITAL INFRASTRUCTURE AND

2:11:47 IRONICALLY IT ALLOWS MANY

2:11:49 RESIDENTS TO PARTICIPATE IN

2:11:51 THESE PUBLIC UH, DISCUSSION

2:11:53 VIRTUALLY.

2:11:54 WE BELIEVE INFORMED PUBLIC

2:11:55 DIALOG IS ESSENTIAL TO

2:11:56 ENSURING.

2:11:56 YOU KNOW, YOUR UM.

2:11:59 THANK YOU.

2:12:00 UM, I'LL I'LL AND END IT BY

2:12:02 SAYING, UH, THANK YOU TO CITY

2:12:04 COUNCIL CHAIR DURKAN AND UH,

2:12:05 THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY

2:12:07 TO BE PART OF THIS CONVERSATION

2:12:08 .

2:12:08 I HAVE.

2:12:09 SO MUCH TO TOUCH ON.

2:12:10 OKAY.

2:12:11 I DON'T SEE ANY MORE FOLKS FOR

2:12:13 PUBLIC TESTIMONY.

2:12:14 UM, SO WE'RE GOING TO CLOSE

2:12:17 DOWN THE HEARING.

2:12:18 UM, THIS DOCKET ON DOCKET 1718

2:12:22 IS ADJOURNED AND WILL REMAIN IN

2:12:24 COMMITTEE.